Pink Floyd


522 BATTLE (error, record matrix = 512)


524 ?

525 SWEDEN 1963



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In (early) 1970,  the second ever vinyl bootleg of a Beatles performance was created when someone came into possession of a radio broadcast reel to reel on the east coast and produced the ‘Great White Wonder equivalent’ of a Beatles concert recording.


Matrix: 1001 A / B

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Ken & Dub got a hold of the east coast release and quickly copied it. They were not shy in announcing who the artist was in their version of the title stamp. As there was no clue on the recording which concert this was, they just made up a name and location in jest.

” … July 1970 – plain white label, colored vinyl, OPD 19 / OPD 67 matrix – copy of an East Coast bootleg”. [TMOQ wiki on the record collectors guild website (now sadly removed)]

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As I have only seen this title with 1 / 2 labels and these weren’t introduced by (pre-)TMOQ until March/Spring 1971, I doubt the date given by the TMOQ wiki of July 1970.

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Much later, the recording was identified as probably coming from a broadcast by Philadelphia radio station WIBG-AM (known as “Wibbage”) but positively identified as the 02 September 1964 concert at Philadelphia’s Convention Hall.

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On the West coast, the team that ended up becoming Berkeley Records and were in their early days known as White Cover Folks (WCF) also issued their own version and the first one with a slip sheet (with an image brazenly copied from the fan club Beatles’ Christmas Album) in 1971.


Matrix: 510-A-X / 510-B-X

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Also exists with blank white labels and insert in different color shades (for example, red).


In the second half of 1972, Contraband then copied this release as CBM 3552 under a slightly changed title and brought it back to the East coast.


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First editions (?) came with a unique ‘two-tone’ color design and wording – who are the Kyoto Klucks? – , unlike any other I have ever come across for CBM.

Beatles Live C Atlanta 3552Without Contraband symbol.

Alternative labels found with this title:



OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA CBM green pirate lbl The label version copied by JL

In late 1975/early 1976, for a reissue on the King Kong sub-label, the folks at Contraband thought they knew the real location for this recording – someone may have pointed out that the Beatles did not play in Atlanta until 1965 – and in a rare move, they added a correction to the slip sheet (which was still incorrect):


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Matrix: RI-3552 A/B



Another rare Japanese bootleg claiming to contain Atlanta material is this one. This was produced around 1975, based on the one other release found by this label (see below).

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The other TPL release: The rarest Japanese Pink Floyd bootleg titled LIVE as well, matrix: TPL3003 A/B

Dated as a 1975 release on and containing five performances from their June 1971 Hakone appearance in excellent quality.





B RS Battle 512

The matrix images can be found under the JL 512 entry.



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Copied J. Fish designed Instant Analysis labels.

The original Contraband title with explanation what was really on this album, was previously featured here.


JL 524 is unknown at this time.


JL 525: The BEATLES – SWEDEN 1963

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A link to the notes on the original can be found here.

JL 511 Pink Floyd Europe 74
JL 512 Beatles / Rolling Stones BATTLE
JL 513 Paul McCartney James Paul McCartney
514 Beatles Live in Europe & US TV Casts
JL 515 Beatles Live in Vancouver Canada



Pink Floyd JL 511

This copy shown sold for 16,000+ Yen in Japan in April of 2015, confirming a trend we already saw in the OG PF copies.

This title helps us significantly in dating the whole JL series, as it can be traced back to the two previous originals. First, there was THE SCREAMING ABDAB , Wizardo’s first PF title, released in the fall of 1975.

Pink Floyd Screaming Abdab

Then, Contraband wasted little time and copied this LP relatively shortly afterwards as:

Pink Floyd Europe 74

This means that JL 511 was pressed in 1976 at the earliest.


JL 512 (as the matrices say) orJL 522 (according to the cover #) The BEATLES / ROLLING STONES – BATTLE

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The original:

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Released in 1971. An early example of a “hybrid bootleg”. The track list on the insert is incorrect. While the excellent sounding Rolling Stones tracks are just in the wrong order, the Beatles side underwent a complete change that must have come too late for the “Art Department”.

Side 1: Looking Tired (2:15 – (06 September, 1965 at RCA Studios-Hollywood, Los Angeles, CA) / Tell Me Baby (1:54) (11 June 1964 + all following tracks: At Chess Studios, Chicago, IL) / Down in The Bottom (2:43) / Stewed And Keefed (4:09) / Hi-Heel Sneakers (2:59)

The Vg quality Beatles side lists the songs performed on their 1965 Ed Sullivan Show appearance from the 14 August ’65 but is actually a partial copy of side one of the LAST LIVE SHOW LP, starting with “Twist And Shout”.

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McCartney JPM JL 513

I had written previously in this post that this was a copy of the CBM version – I hope that this is really the case as the cover joins the TMOQ ‘smoking pig’ version from 1974 with the added CBM logo, and unless one listens to the actual JL version record, it is not confirmed (CBM simply copied TMOQ’s insert text, despite changing the track list).

McCartney JPM 513 2v

With and without ‘JL’ prefix.


JL 514:  THE BEATLES – live in europe & us tv casts

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Beatles Live Vancouver Canada IA

Santana Live Rotterdam

Thanks also to the Tatsu-Chin Japanese blog [], we can add this to the OG label discography. The above cover slick is clearly a copy of the original, lacing it’s metallic three tone print, with the elephant really standing out. The matrix has been confirmed as OG-723. While the European original is not hard to find, this Japanese copy definitely is.

The Dutch original on the maf label dates from 1971; the Japanese copy from 1974. “maf” is a Dutch word and means “stark raving mad” in English.


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Label states “MADE IN … Formosa”

Santana on their second European Tour and second visit to the Netherlands, following their appearance at the Kralingen Pop Festival, the previous year. Audience recording from 18 April 1971 at the just three months old Ahoy in Rotterdam,

Track list: Toussaint L’Overture/Evil Ways – Samba Pa Ti – Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen – Oye Como Va – Gumbo – Everything’s Coming Our Way – Conquistadore Rides Again

No matrix number known.


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maf’s only other release (apparently), a double LP recorded at the Ahoy as well just two weeks before the Santana show:


Pink Floyd Live in Rotterdam

Pink Floyd OG 719-720

Japan: 1974

The only image I could find of this extremely rare release, shows the single cover with the copied front slick glued to it; the same was done for the back. Plain blue labels for disc one and plain red ones for disc two.

The original version and its copies have previously been reviewed here.



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Japan: 1974

Just as rare as 719/20 and same cover style with slicks glued to a single cover. Reportedly, also exists separately.

Offered for auction in Japan in December of 2014 by an Osaka based seller and seems to have attracted an ending bid of $2,500+.


For the material on the best of Tour 72 you may visit this older post.



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There are three different versions of this copy of the 1973 European (Dutch? / UK?) Benbecula Records release with the same name, containing the incomplete ’64 Hollywood Bowl recording:

OG 718 A / B  1H 

OG 718 A / B  1L

OG 802 A / B  1J

All of these are made in Japan, from 1974 onwards.


OG 718 A / B  1H – the fold-out insert cover:

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Blank labels only


OG 718 A / B  1L – the printed cover version:

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Blank labels only


OG 802 A / B  1J:


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Cover-wise, the one difference I can see is that the top right fold over seems to be cut straight, while the back of the earlier version OG 718 A / B  1L shows it cut at an angle, as shown here.

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The original:

Matrix: NTT10 A / B   Number on cover: P24 2813ST

One of the first bootlegs with a laminated cover, looking far more professional than what was produced in the US in 1972 (but also hard to take a good picture off. All the ones I have seen have a hazy & fuzzy quality to it).


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Reissues had a matte cover finish, as this copy shown here for the logo detail:

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“If I Fell” and “I Want To Hold Your Hand” had been removed, presumably to create space for the three extra tracks. The first two came from the Beatles’ 1966 Christmas Fan Club flexi. “What’s The New Mary Jane” was the first true stereo issue of this outtake.

And in the early 70’s, the Capitol Records acetate made its way East across the Atlantic.This is the continuation of the story I had summarized in this blog post . Was this the first European release of the Hollywood Bowl material? I believe it was.



The name Benbecula Records would appear on another popular European bootleg later in the decade:

Wish the Animals Were Here ca. 1977, presented 40 minutes of the ‘recorder 2’ source from the first night of the Animals Tour at Dortmund’s Westfalen Hall on 23 January 1977:

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When a promoter booked half of surf/instrumental group The Ventures (the budget was too small to also send their bass and drum players, which would have to be supplied by local hired guns) in 1962 for an Asian tour supporting pop crooners Bobby Vee and Jo Ann Campbell , it seemed like an insignificant decision. However, for modern pop culture in Japan, it was the first spark leading to a significant bonfire. Japanese youth embraced these new culture gap-free sounds produced by electric guitars and the “group sounds” movement was born.

The following link provides an in depth look at the Ventures’ Japan success story:

I believe one music phenomenon we have to thank the Ventures for is the “Live in Japan” album, Their first one was released in 1965:

 Ventures in Japan


This was soon followed by similar live albums by artists such as the Spotniks, the Shadows, Miles Davis and a number of MOR artists. I believe it would not be too far fetched to say that the first bootlegs made in Japan were efforts to provide an unofficial ‘Live In Japan’ souvenir album when the record companies had no plans to do so.

Looking at further influences by bands from the UK & USA, the first vocal group to have visited Japan were the Liverpool Five (none of the members were actually from Liverpool, which probably underlines how much of a influencing force the Beatles had become by then), who had won a contest to represent the UK during a series of concerts in Tokyo during the 1964 Olympic Games. None of the Japanese bands who performed as part of this “World Surfing Festival” had a vocalist. “Playing to sell-out crowds of over 8,000 at the Korakuen Ice Palace and other venues, the lead singers’ vocals caused a stir among musicians in the audience and was almost certainly responsible for the decision of several of the new eleki bands that sprung up in the next few months to begin recruiting vocalists and move towards a sound and approach that would increasingly diverge from that of the Ventures.”

The Animals were the next and first internationally well known band to tour Japan, on the strength of their first world wide success “House of the Rising Sun” and coinciding with the release of their second album ANIMAL TRACKS in May of 1965.

Animals Japan 65Animals 1965 Japan Tour Book

Next up, were of course the Beatles in the summer of 1966, with enough ticket applications received to fill the Budokan 21 times. As far as I can tell, the next group to play at the Budokan were the Monkees in the fall of 1968. Then, it appears we had a bit of a gap until the new breed of UK & US blues rock bands perfected their acts.

Monkees Budokan


A Woodstock like large festival to be named “Fuji Odyssey” never got off the ground series of mini-festivals called “Rock Carnival” started in December of 1970, presenting local and Western artists (John Mayall participated in the first one). Part of the tour schedule for Western artists for 1971 follows.

February 1971: Blood, Sweat and Tears

March ’71: B.B. King [Rock Carnival # 3]

 BB King Japan 71


April/May ’71: Free [Rock Carnival # 4]

 Free Japan 71

From an eye witness account: “This event started at midnight in the now defunct Sankei Hall, Ohtemachi. It was a festival style, all night event where many Japanese bands were to play. I scarcely remember most of the bands’ names but I remember that the unit of Narumo Shigeru and Tsunoda Hiro was the final act. After many bands had sequentially played, it was about the time when the first train was leaving, Free appeared. That was nothing but the coolest.

Each of their sounds and each of their motions were rock itself. When its thirty-minute show was over (or that might be more than sixty minutes, but it felt like thirty minutes for me), the rotating stage turned (you seldom see this these days but there used to be at that time) and the day’s main act, Narumo Shigeru and Tsunoda Hiro came out. However, enthusiastic applause for Free never stopped. The stage turned again and Free appeared, the whole audience was driven into a state of feverish excitement. Although I had gone to see some concerts before this, let me say, this was my first experience of the real rock concert.

Nine songs were issued years later on the Japanese ‘fake Idle Mind bootleg’ Reminiscence (ca. 1977), making it the earliest audience tape recorded in Japan and pressed on a Japanese rock bootleg.

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June ’71: Chicago’s first Japan Tour

July ’71: Grand Funk Railroad [Rock Carnival # 6]

GFR Tokyo 71GFR Tokyo 71Composite of two photos taken by Koh Hasebe at the Tokyo concert


The superstars of 1971 – I believe they were the second band to play at Shea Stadium after the Beatles – had already outgrown the Budokan and were the first to play at a baseball stadium in a line up with three other bands in front of a crowd of 35,000. Unfortunately, summer is the rainy season in Japan and it poured on concert night. The same conditions repeated, when Emerson, Lake & Palmer played Korakuen stadium the following year together with Free. An audience recording from the Osaka Stadium performance exists but was not pressed on bootleg.

I am talking about the band that was on everyone’s lips in its heyday, the marvelous Grand Funk Railroad (G.F.R.), and their legendary Tokyo concert of 1971. I was excited to hear of G.F.R.’s impending arrival in the summer of 1971 in Tokyo. I was a young man of twenty-two years of age at that time. Back then, there weren’t any large halls expect the Budokan, and I was concerned where and how they would play with their huge amount of equipment, and finally, they chose the sacred home of Japanese baseball, Korakuen stadium. Since even Budokan was very large for us those days, it was even more exciting having the concert in the much larger baseball stadium.

The concert was scheduled to start on Saturday, July 17th, 1971, at 5pm. I turned up around 2 o’clock, and hung around seeing many dirty yet cool young people, and I felt an electrifying atmosphere in the stadium.
When the time came and I entered the stadium, I was amazed to see what looked like every speaker in Japan stacked in large walls around the massive stage, which was set up near second base on the baseball field. And before the stage was a big board plastered with “GRAND FUNK RAILROAD” in huge letters.
The concert began, and after long forgotten Japanese bands warmed the crowd up, the time for G.F.R. to hit the stage finally arrived. All of a sudden the sky became dark and a strong wind blew the G.F.R. board off the stage. However, with the sound of an explosion of a reckless running railroad train on the big screen on the stage, the band appeared to the cheers of their adoring fans. And they played up a storm, like the hard rain and strong winds that accompanied them.


August ’71: Hakone Aphrodite Festival (Pink Floyd’s first visit to Japan on a bill with Buffy St, Marie the 1910 Fruit Gum Co. and Strawberry Path, The Mops,  Happenings Four, Yosuke Yamashita and the Masahiko Sato Trio. They also made time for a performance at Osaka’s Festival Hall.

All of these were all taped and an ambitious compilation bootleg was produced in 1972 or later– Pink Floyd (KP339-KP344), also known as Osaka/Tokyo Triple and PINK FLOYD JAPAN 70-71′, ‘LIVE IN TOKYO/OSAKA 1972, one of the most valuable early Japanese bootlegs ever and the first ever Japanese 3 LP bootleg (and pretty much for the rest of the decade as I cannot recall another until the 80’s when they were pretty common). This used to be one of the most valuable Japanese bootlegs with auction prices reaching $2,000 and 2000 Euros.

Pink Floyd Osaka TripleTwo tracks from from the first day at Hakone were presented on this set.

In depth information can be found here:

Hakone Aphro 71

Hakone is to the southwest of Tokyo and it takes 2 hours from Tokyo by car. Many people visit there and enjoy playing golf and tennis, and sightseeing . The open-air concert entitled ”71 Hakone Aphrodite’ was held at the open space called ‘Seikei Gakuen Jofudai ‘ by Lake Ashi on Aug.6 & 7, 1971. It is said that 30,000 people gathered there. Pink Floyd appeared in the evening (6:00 pm) on Aug.6, 1971 and played ‘Atom Heart Mother’, ‘Green is the colour’, ‘Careful With That Axe, Eugene’, ‘Echoes’, ‘Cymbaline’ and ‘A saucerful Of Secrets’.”

There were two stages, the main and the sub, and the audience was moving between the two for their favorite bands. The place was filled with an easy feeling. Of course, our target was Pink Floyd. And we thought Pink Floyd might be last, after sunset. So we hung around and enjoyed nature’s euphoria, drinking beer and looking on while bands played. Finally, 1910 Fruit Gum Company’s show was over, and it got dark enough; the time for Pink Floyd had come. Then, suddenly, dense fog began to form. I’m not sure that it was usual in that area or not. And surprisingly, it became nature’s miraculous stage effects. In that psychedelic atmosphere (you may say it was too good to be true. But it was true), their first, and maybe their best performance in Japan had started. Listening to their song “Echoes” in the fog was the coolest of the cool!

R Wright Japan 72

Pink Floyd Japan 72

Pink Floyd Osaka 71Ticket for the concert at Osaka Festival Hall. A further two songs from this performance were selected for the OSAKA TRIPLE package.


September ’71: Led Zeppelin’s first triumphant Japan tour inspired a number of Japanese vinyl bootlegs and possibly may be credited with kickstarting the local bootleg industry:

 Led Zeppelin Super-Stars! 3


The rare SUPER-STARS! double, a copy of which recently sold for $1,500, as reported on this blog. Released between the very end of 1971 and very early 1973, if I had to make a guess and a candidate for one of the earliest Japanese rock bootlegs [I would love for someone with greater knowledge on the topic to correct me or contribute].

No label
Side 1: Immigrant Song/Heartbreaker medley incl. Bouree, Feelin’ Groovy/Since I’ve Been Loving You/Out On The Tiles Intro-Black Dog/What Is And What Should Never Be
Side 2: Dazed And Confused medley incl. I Got A Feeling
Side 3: Celebration Day/That’s The Way/Going To California/Tangerine
Side 4: Whole Lotta Love medley incl. Boogie Chillun, Cocaine, Rave On, Your Time Is Gonna Come, I’m A Man, The Hunter, Hello Mary Lou, Pretty Woman, How Many More Times
Recording: Good mono audience. Runs a bit fast. Source: Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Sept. 24 ’71.



Recording Includes: [ supposed to be not recorded: Band Announcements ] Immigrant Song [ 1:57 – cut ] >> Heartbreaker (<< Bouree, Feelin’ Groovy..) [ 6:53 – cut ], Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:27 ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 5:27 ], [ cut ], Dazed And Confused (<< I Got A Feeling..) [ 24:03 ], [ cut ], Celebration Day [ 4:56 ], That’s The Way [ 6:30 ], Going To California [ 7:08 ], Tangerine [ 3:45 ], [ cut ], What Is And What Should Never Be [ 4:29 ], [ cut ], Instrumental Intro [ 0:59 ] >> Whole Lotta Love (<< Boogie Chillun, Cocaine, Rave On, Your Time Is Gonna Come, I’m A Man, The Hunter, Hello Mary Lou, [ cut ], Pretty Woman [ cut ], How Many More Times..) [ 25:43 ].
Source: Incomplete good 2nd audience recording. Nearly 107 minutes.
Details: Again, the sound is muffled, somewhat mushy in places and distant. This one seems to be also bit boomy here and there. However, this source is much more bright. The real problem here is lots of crackle from vinyl and original tape – it overloads the intimate atmosphere of recording. Furthermore, on the original LP What Is And What Should Never Be is placed right after Black Dog.  Bootleg LP Reference source: Super Stars (Led Zeppelin In Tokyo) (no label)



Led Zeppelin In Concert 660 track list

The similarly extremely rare IN CONCERT on the OG label, which I would place with a 1973 production date. A copy recently failed to attract a single bid (starting bid had been GBP 500).

Led Zeppelin In Concert 660 lbl

Side 1: Since I’ve Been Loving You*/Out On The Tiles Intro-Black Dog*/Stairway To Heaven*
Side 2: Going To California*/Whole Lotta Love (*)/(an excerpt from Whole Lotta Love medley) The Hunter, Hello Mary Lou, Pretty Woman, How Many More Times**/Communication Breakdown medley incl. Hey Hey What Can I Do?**
Recording: Fair-Good mono audience. Runs fast. Source: (*)Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Sept. 23 ’71 except (**)Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Sept. 24 ’71. Comments: Japanese bootleg. Very rare.



Recording Includes: Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:05 ], [ cut ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 5:21 ], [ cut ], Stairway To Heaven [ 8:55 ], [ cut ], Going To California [ 6:05 ], [ cut ], Whole Lotta Love [ 1:08 – cut ].
Source: Incomplete fair to good 1st audience recording. Near 31 minutes.
Details: A significantly distant and somewhat flat sounding source, with some hiss throughout. Bootleg LP Reference source: IN CONCERT

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Recording Includes: (an excerpt from Whole Lotta Love medley): The Hunter [ cut ] >> Hello Mary Lou >> Pretty Woman >> How Many More Times >> Whole Lotta Love [ 11:50 – cut ], [ cut ], Communication Breakdown (<< Hey Hey What Can I Do?..) [ 5:33 – cut ].
Source: Incomplete fair to good 1st audience recording. 17 minutes.
Details: Muffled and distant, not clear at all. Bootleg LP Reference source: IN CONCERT




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In 1974, the OG label debuted the “on stage mic’d” source, with emphasis on John Bonham, often mistaken for a soundboard.

Side 1: Immigrant Song/Heartbreaker medley incl. Feelin’ Groovy, Bouree/Since I’ve Been Loving You
Side 2: Tangerine/Moby Dick
Side 3: Stairway To Heaven/Celebration Day
Side 4: You Shook Me/Whole Lotta Love/Communication Breakdown medley incl. Just A Little Bit/Organ Solo/Thank You
Comments: There were at least four different pressings/versions of this double album (original red labels, as shown here. Orange labels with a different design and lettering. Black labels and the UFO version).

This source is discussed here:


October ’71: Elton John

EJ Tokyo 71

A soundboard from his October 1st show later surfaced.



February 1972: CCR


March 1972: Pink Floyd return for their first proper tour and play 6 concerts. The following descriptions are taken from

Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan, March 6   “Two recordings exist, a partial FM source featuring a large portion of the Dark Side suite and a complete audience recording…”

Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan, March 7   “There are three sources for this concert in varying degrees of sound quality…”

Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan, March 8   “The first gig in Osaka has been widely bootlegged, and at least four  sources exits for this concert.” The bulk of the OSAKA TRIPLE vinyl set was taken from one of these sources.

Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan, March 9   “There is one main source for the second night in Osaka…”


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Side 1: Cymbaline *, A Saucerful Of Secrets **                                                                                                   Side 2: Fat Old Sun *, Atom Heart Mother
Side 3: One Of These Days, Careful With That Axe Eugene                                                                                 Side 4: Echoes
Side 5: Speak To Me, Breathe, On The Run, Time, Breathe (Reprise), The Great Gig In The Sky                        Side 6: Money, Us And Them, Any Colour You Like, Brain Damage, Eclipse

Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan – March 8th, 1972 plus * Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan – August 9th, 1971,                 ** Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan – March 9th, 1972

” …the first tape of this show to surface on LP in the early seventies.  This is a straight transfer of the classic three LP Japanese set Pink Floyd (KP339-KP344).  It was originally released with three individual plain white covers and two posters placed inside a brown paper bag with sticker. 

Later variations were released under the name Pink Floyd Japan 70-71, Live In Tokyo / Osaka 1972 and Tokyo Triple.  The bulk of the material comes from the March 8th, 1972 Osaka show, but “A Saucerful Of Secrets” is from the Osaka show on March 9th, 1972 and “Cymbaline” and “Fat Old Sun” date from their first tour of Japan on August 9th, 1971, also in Osaka. The sound quality is, compared to the others, very muffled and dull and barely enjoyable.” [review by]


Furitsu Taiikukan Hall, Kyoto, Japan, March 10   “There is one source for the Kyoto show…”

Nakanoshima Sports Center, Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan, March 13   “The final gig in Japan for 16 years has four know recordings that circulate in varying degrees of completeness…”


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 June ’72: Chicago return for their second tour of Japan in support of Chicago V. All of their Osaka performances are taped by CBS/Sony for a Japan only live album. Recorded by hooking up two eight track machines, the final result surpasses the official Live At Carnegie Hall


 July ’72: ELP supported by Free play Korakuen Stadium in Tokyo and at Osaka’s Koshien Stadium

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Three songs from Free’s opening set are included on the aforementioned Reminiscences album:

Free Reminiscence

 While one track by the headliner’s was issued on the surprisingly easy to find OG release 21st CENTURY SCHIZOID ROCK OG-630

ELP 21st S R

“Total duration: 34:28  A very fragmented album of an average audience recording.
Track 1 – 4 is from an unknown show, most likely between April and June 1971.
One can hear Keith Emerson talking about ‘a new album’ (Tarkus) which will be released – he says – in August; ‘maybe earlier’. The last track – Lucky Man – is from the Korakuen Stadium / Japan – show in July 1972.
Some copies of this album included two bonus tracks with Free, who supported ELP on the 1972 Japan-tour.
Alt. track list: 1.TAKE A PEBBLE (ELP) 2.KNIFE EDGE (ELP) 3.ALL RIGHT NOW (FREE) 4.FIRE AND WATER (FREE) 5.BARBARIAN (ELP) 6.GONG (ELP) Matrix number 707 (print) ”

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August ’72: Deep Purple play three shows (rescheduled from May). The band reluctantly agrees to have the shows recorded for a ‘live in Japan only’ album. Famous last words…


October’72: Led Zeppelin return for their second and last ever Japan tour to play six concerts. None of them reach the critical acclaim of their first visit.

This is also reflected in the Japanese bootlegs that this tour yielded or rather the immediate lack of. The OG label presented this unnumbered but visually appealing one disc release of the Osaka October 9th show around 1975 as one of their last releases:


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Recording Includes: [ supposed to be not recorded: Band Announcements ] Rock And Roll [ 3:38 ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:13 ] >> Black Dog [ 5:01 ], Over The Hills And Far Away [ 5:49 ], Misty Mountain Hop [ 4:35 ] >> Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:23 ], Dancing Days [ 3:26 ], The Song Remains The Same [ 5:15 ] >> The Rain Song [ 7:24 ], [ cut ], Dazed And Confused (<< Down By The River, The Crunge..) [ 26:57 ], Stairway To Heaven [ 9:23 ], Moby Dick [ 15:43 ], [ cut ], Whole Lotta Love (<< Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Something’s Got A Hold On Me, (I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction, Leave My Woman Alone, Lawdy Miss Clawdy, Heartbreak Hotel, Wear My Ring Around Your Neck, Going Down Slow, The Shape I’m In..) [ 28:57 – cut ], [ cut ], Stand By Me [ 6:14 ], Immigrant Song [ 3:36 ].
Source: Incomplete very good 1st audience recording. 143 minutes.
Details: This is clear recording. Page’s guitar is fairly prominent in this source but it doesn’t overwhelm the other instruments. There is some hiss though. [all detailed comments taken from]

“Bron-Y-Aur Stomp” was taken from a different concert recording: OCTOBER 4 – OSAKA FESTIVAL HALL, OSAKA, JAPAN (WEDNESDAY, 6pm), thus the following might apply: “1st source, taped by Yoshiaki Sumitomo (speed issues in few places – he also recorded Osaka October 4th, 1972 1st source)”

This release was copied by Vicky Vinyl ca. ’76/’77 and is much better known as:

Led Zep MBH lg



Ca. 1979 a further tape was acquired in Japan, this time from the start of the tour at the Budokan. The following are vinyl releases containing the first source:


Led Zep L@Budokan Remember

Red labels – first or second issue? Apologies for the bad quality, this is the only one I have found.

Led Zep Budokan RemLed Zep Budokan Rem bLed Zep Budokan Rem lbl


“Recording Includes: Band Announcements, Rock And Roll [ 3:37 ], Over The Hills And Far Away [ 5:22 ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 4:41 ], [ cut ], Misty Mountain Hop [ 4:32 ] >> Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:07 ], Dancing Days [ 3:20 ], Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp [ 4:23 ], The Song Remains The Same [ 5:14 ] >> The Rain Song [ 7:11 ], [ cut ], Dazed And Confused (<< The Crunge..) [ 20:55 ], [ cut ], Stairway To Heaven [ 8:59 ], [ cut ], Whole Lotta Love (<< Just A Little Bit, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, My Baby Left Me, Killing Floor, I Can’t Quit You Baby..) [ 21:17 ], [ cut ], Heartbreaker (<< Bouree..) [ 6:00 ], [ cut ], Immigrant Song [ 3:46 ] >> Communication Breakdown [ 4:17 ], [ cut ], Band Announcements [ cut ].
Source: Almost complete very good to excellent 1st audience recording. 126 minutes.
Details: The tape contains rather little hiss and is recorded very close to the stage with all the instruments well balanced and with genuine clarity. The only drawback of this source is the bass line, which sounds a bit mushed.”

Side 1: Rock & Roll/Over The Hills & Far Away/Out On The Tiles Intro-Black Dog/Misty Mountain Hop/Since I’ve Been Loving You (26:15)
Side 2: Dancing Days/Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp/The Song Remains The Same/Stairway To Heaven (26:48)
Side 3: Dazed & Confused medley incl. The Crunge (21:18)
Side 4: Whole Lotta Love medley incl. Just A Little Bit, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, My Baby Left Me, Killing Floor, I Can’t Quit You Baby/Heartbreaker medley incl. Bouree (27:11)
Recording: Very good stereo audience. Source: Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Oct. 2 ’72. Comments: Japanese bootleg. Deluxe black & white cover.

Led Zep TokyoLed Zep Tokyo white detailLed Zep Tokyo white detail 2Led Zep Tokyo white back

Ken’s Toasted Records copied the Remember title in the US, around 1980 – but got the date wrong. It was reissued on white PVC and also included in the massive FINAL OPTION box:

Led Zep Final Option box sideLIVE IN TOKYO 10/2/72
Recording: Very good stereo audience. Comments: US bootleg. A reissue of LIVE AT THE BUDOKAN (Remember N5518). Deluxe color cover. Some copies on colored vinyl. Also available in the mid-1980’s on US label Amazing Stork Records (if you are wondering why this has “The Rain Song”, see below for the material from the 3rd of October also included) with some copies pressed on colored vinyl. Part of THE FINAL OPTION box set.

Led Zep Tokyo Amaz StLed Zep Tokyo Amaz St b


Led Zep Live@Budokan NOG 72

Led Zep Live@Budokan NOG 72 lbl

A very rare record, the New OG Label edition, which unlike the Remember version includes “The Rain Song” (the discogs entry, however, omits this song).  The cover art quotes LIVE IN JAPAN 1971 OG-798/799, it seems.

Led Zep Live@Budokan 72 ins

NEW OG 1149-50 A-B
Recording: Very good stereo audience. Comments: Same material as LIVE AT THE BUDOKAN (Remember N5518) but in a different order plus The Rain Song. Comes with an article about the concert from a Japanese magazine.

Matrix / Runout (Side A machine stamped): OG 1149 A 〄 a 19223 (A) 1H
    Matrix / Runout (Side B machine stamped): OG 1149 B 〄 a 19224 (B) 1H
    Matrix / Runout (Side C machine stamped): OG 1150 A 〄 a 19225 (A) 1H
    Matrix / Runout (Side D machine stamped): OG 1150 B 〄 a 19226 (B) 2J



Source 2:

“Recording Includes: Stairway To Heaven [ 8:08 – cut ], [ cut ], Whole Lotta Love (<< Just A Little Bit, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, My baby Left Me, Killing Floor, I Can’t Quit You Baby..) [ 21:06 ], [ cut ], Heartbreaker (<< Bouree..) [ 5:57 ], [ cut ], Immigrant Song [ 3:31 ] >> Communication Breakdown [ 4:27 ].
Recording: Incomplete very good 2nd audience recording. Almost 45 minutes.
Details: A good defined and clear tape taped not far away from the stage. No signs of distortion here. However recording suffers a bit from bass frequencies which dominating throughout, [oversaturating] rather significantly whole content.

Led Zep Live in Tokyo LLXLed Zep Live in Tokyo LLX b

A release on the LLX ‘label’ (the same folks who had brought the world SUPER-STARS! ). When was this issued? The discogs entry claims 1973 but I doubt this. It also says there that every known copy has a different cover slick.  

LLX 1233-4-5-6  Matrix / Runout (all sides machine stamped): LLX 1233/4/5/6 IN
Side 1: Rock & Roll (3:16)*/Out On The Tiles Intro-Black Dog (4:14)*/Over The Hills & Far Away (5:42)*/Misty Mountain Hop (4:48)*/Since I’ve Been Loving You (8:10)*
Side 2: Dancing Days (3:31)*/Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp (4:39)*/The Song Remains The Same (5:42)*/The Rain Song (7:42)*
Side 3: Whole Lotta Love medley incl. Just A Little Bit, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, My Baby Left Me, Killing Floor, I Can’t Quit You Baby (20:28)**
Side 4: Stairway To Heaven (8:22)* & **/The Ocean (4:16)*/Heartbreaker medley incl. Bouree (6:05)**/Immigrant Song (3:56)**/Communication Breakdown (4:12)**
Recording: Very good mono audience. Source: (*)Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Oct. 3 ’72 except (**)Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Oct. 2 ’72. Comments: Rare Japanese bootleg. Stairway To Heaven is spliced with two different sources.


Fifth source:

Recording Includes: Band Announcements, Rock And Roll, Over The Hills And Far Away, Out On The Tiles Intro >> Black Dog, Misty Mountain Hop >> Since I’ve Been Loving You, Dancing Days, Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp, The Song Remains The Same >> The Rain Song, Dazed And Confused (<< The Crunge..), Stairway To Heaven, Whole Lotta Love (<< Just A Little Bit, Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, My Baby Left Me, Killing Floor, I Can’t Quit You Baby..), Heartbreaker (<< Bouree..), Immigrant Song >> Communication Breakdown.
Source: Almost complete very good 5th audience recording. 128 minutes.
Details: This audience source is a bit distant and muddy, with the balance and the sound clearing a bit in time. Plant’s voice sound rough on occasions.

Led Zep Panties 2Led Zep Panty insertsLed Zep Panty

Side 1: Tangerine (3:43)*/Stairway To Heaven (9:04)*/Celebration Day (4:50)*/What Is And What Should Never Be (4:17)*/Moby Dick (1:30)*
Side 2: That’s The Way (6:29)*/Going To California (7:24)*/Over The Hills And Far Away (6:04)**
Side 3: Rock ‘N’ Roll (3:34)**/Stairway To Heaven (8:50)**/Whole Lotta Love (conclusion 2:20)**
Side 4: Immigrant Song (3:55)***/Communication Breakdown (4:17)***/The Song Remains The Same (5:12)***/The Rain Song (7:15)***
Recording: (*) (**)Good to Very good mono; (***)Very good mono. Audience. Source: (*)Hiroshima-ken Taiikukan, Hiroshima, Japan Sept. 27 ’71; (**)Osaka Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan Oct. 4 ’72; (***)Nippon Budokan, Tokyo, Japan Oct. 2 ’72. Comments: Brown record mailer with rubber stamp and obi. Contains a large black & white poster, postcard and a real female rubber stamped panty. Because of this quite often this set is called “Panty” box. What’s very interesting, at least some copies also have bonus tape with another source for Hiroshima date (actually, it is source no. 4). Rare.

Digger seems to have been a label from the 1980’s specializing in Led Zeppelin releases; a forerunner to the CD bootleg labels who carried on this obsession from the 1990’s. See below for the Osaka source from October 4th.



Recording Includes: [ supposed to be not recorded: Band Announcements ] Rock And Roll [ 3:04 ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 4:53 ], Over The Hills And Far Away [ 5:33 ], Misty Mountain Hop [ 4:50 ] >> Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:30 ], [ cut ], Dancing Days [ 3:25 ], Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp [ 4:33 ], [ cut ], The Song Remains The Same [ 5:19 ] >> The Rain Song [ 7:30 ], [ cut ], The Ocean [ 4:04 ].
Source: Incomplete very good 1st audience recording. 57 minutes.
Details: A bit distant and somewhat flat sounding tape, with rather nice atmosphere.

Found on: Live In Tokyo Oct. 2-3 1972 Budokan Big Hall (LLX 1233-4-5-6) & Tokyo 10/2/72 (Amazing Stork Records):

Led Zep Live in Tokyo LLXLed Zep Tokyo Amaz St


Source 2:

Recording Includes: Band Announcements, Rock And Roll [ 3:07 ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 4:56 ], Over The Hills And Far Away [ 5:37 ], Misty Mountain Hop [ 4:58 ] >> Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:36 ], Dancing Days [ 3:30 ], Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp [ 4:27 – cut ], The Song Remains The Same [ 5:25 ] >> The Rain Song [ 7:41 ], Dazed And Confused (<< The Crunge..) [ 27:17 – cut ].
Source: Incomplete good to very good 2nd audience recording. 83 minutes.
Details: A bit distant and tiny but still decent quality. The real problem with this source is that it was surfaced only on vinyl, which is very scratchy, with a lot of noise throughout and even after some declicking job the sound isn’t too clear. What worse, near the end of Dazed another song can be heard playing from underneath, and from that point sound deteriorates significantly into mush.

Privately Cut Japanese Acetate (no title, no label) [no image available]




Recording Includes: [ supposed to be not recorded: Band Announcements ] Rock And Roll [ 3:30 – cut ], Out On The Tiles Intro [ 0:12 ] >> Black Dog [ 4:52 ], Over The Hills And Far Away [ 5:23 ], Misty Mountain Hop [ 4:35 ] >> Since I’ve Been Loving You [ 7:11 ], Dancing Days [ 3:22 ], Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp [ 4:31 ], The Song Remains The Same [ 5:16 ] >> The Rain Song [ 7:11 ], Dazed And Confused (<< San Francisco instrumental, The Crunge..) [ 23:10 – cut ], Stairway To Heaven [ 9:18 ], Whole Lotta Love (<< Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, Got A Lot O’Livin To Do, Let’s Have A Party, You Shook Me, The Lemon Song..) [ 22:21 ].
Source: Incomplete very good 1st audience recording. 108 minutes.
Details: Taped from 5th row and a really good sounding audience recording. All the instruments are up front and well balanced with the audience in the background. There is some distortion on bass line.


Side 2: That’s The Way (6:29)*/Going To California (7:24)*/Over The Hills And Far Away (6:04)**
Side 3: Rock ‘N’ Roll (3:34)**/Stairway To Heaven (8:50)**/Whole Lotta Love (conclusion 2:20)**



Recording Includes: [ supposed to be not recorded: Band Announcements ] Rock And Roll, Out On The Tiles Intro >> Black Dog, Misty Mountain Hop >> Since I’ve Been Loving You, Dancing Days, Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp, The Song Remains The Same >> The Rain Song, Dazed And Confused [ cut ], Stairway To Heaven, Whole Lotta Love (<< Everybody Needs Somebody To Love, Boogie Chillun, I Feel So Good, Let’s Have A Party, You Shook Me..), Mellotron Solo (<< Sakura Sakura..) >> Thank You.
Source: Incomplete fair to good 1st audience source.
Details: A distant, muddy and somewhat hissy tape that sounds like it was recorded under the towel but almost no serious distortion here. It still holds the dynamics and some fragments are brighter a little bit.


Led Zeppelin Squeeze Me

Side 1: Out On The Tiles Intro-Black Dog (5:09)/Misty Mountain Hop (4:16)/Since I’ve Been Loving You (7:11)
Side 2: Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp (4:35)/The Song Remains The Same (5:05)/The Rain Song (7:20)
Recording: Fair-Good mono audience. Source: Nagoya-shi Kokaido, Nagoya, Japan Oct. 5 ’72. Comments: Rare Japanese acetate.

In the 1980’s there was this incredibly rare Japan acetate as the final vinyl offering from the tour before the era of CD bootlegs took over. This copy was offered on eBay in August of 2014 and sold for over $900.


Three different cover types exist: The one shown above, the Escher type insert (in blue or pink) or just stamped. The main label variations are: Dittolino logo, 1/2, blank, and later smoking pig and ‘large A’ labels (I have never seen the last two variations but flodboots lists them).

In addition, the records were pressed on clear and white PVC. I believe that these copies, including the smoking pig and ‘large A’ labels were produced significantly later by some other enterprising outfit than the original Dittolino guys but would be happy to be proven wrong in this.

Pink Floyd Live 4

Pink Floyd Live 5

Pink Floyd Live clear

Pink Floyd Live white


Pink Floyd EscherPink Floyd Escher coverPink Floyd D-2 matrixPink Floyd D-2 matrix 2

Above: Matrix markings for sides 1 and 4.


The stamped copies may in fact have been the first pressing:

Pink Floyd Live stamp 3

Pink Floyd Live stamp



Live at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium
Santa Monica, California
Friday October 23, 1970

1st set (bold songs selected for the vinyl bootleg master)
01. Astronomy Domine
02. Green Is The Colour -> Careful With That Axe, Eugene
03. Fat Old Sun
04. Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun
05. Cymbaline
06. A Saucerful of Secrets
2nd set
07. Atom Heart Mother (with orchestra and choir)
08. Interstellar Overdrive (not recorded by Dub)

01. Atom Heart Mother [25:04] 02. Fat Old Sun [11:23] 03. Cymbaline [9:20] 04. A Saucerful Of Secrets [20:26]

“The 1st Pink Floyd bootleg (made in the USA as European titles pre-date it), according to a 1971 article in Circus magazine, was simply called “LIVE” which was recorded in Santa Monica on 10/23/70. The record was in a plain white cover and stamped. I believe this may have been a Dittolino release.”

I wonder if this was the edition that mentioned it – October 1971:

Circus mag PF

Circus PF 71 article

These are the first two pages of the article written by Richard Meltzer. I enlarged it to 150% and you can read every word but there is no mention of an underground Pink Floyd record, However, this is not the complete article, so perhaps it’s mentioned on the next page. Does anyone have the complete article?


After a lengthy investigation, I have to concede that Dittolino Discs may have been the first bootlegger to release the first US Pink Floyd vinyl bootleg as the TMOQ version seems to have been pressed significantly later, perhaps in 1973. A couple of experts have even given the Dittolino version the audio quality edge over the TMOQ version:

“My instinct listening to it is that Cymbaline is a better transfer to vinyl possibly because a higher quality unit was used but they are a close enough match to conclude that the source tape / reel is very likely to be the same or no more than a generation apart. If they are a different generation my vote would go to Cymbaline being lower.”
Doinker: “Now that’s very funny you say that. To my ears, [the Dittolino Disc version, here called “LDD”] has better frequency response. But, that’s me.”


Here are the facts:

– If the Circus article from the October 1971 Circus issue is indeed the one, and they were referring to the Dittolino Discs version, that bootleg must have come out by August 1971 at the latest.

– Both the Dittolino Discs and the TMOQ release contain the same recording from the same source tape, as does the 1980’s version titled Cymbaline

Pink Floyd 2804 tan

The copy shown above, on black PVC, sold for 126 GBP in late 2010.

Pink Floyd Cymbaline re

An in depth discussion regarding the sources for this concert can be found on the Yeeshkul! Pink Floyd forum (registration required).


“According to recent threads on this website, the vinyl source (now sources) for this date are a different recorder than the Dub Taylor recording. I was asked to transfer the 2 LP TMOQ set “Cymbaline” at 24/96 as it’s understood to be different. Upon research, I found this to be the same recorder as an earlier TMOQ release “Pink Floyd Live Dittolino Discs”. I expected the two pressings to be identical, even though they are from different plates. They aren’t. There are different start points in the source tape used for each pressing, necessitating syncing and combining the two sets for maximum listening time.

“Cymbaline” should be considered complete enough to warrant torrenting on its own, but “LDD” is most certainly not. I cannot guarantee the speed runs totally correct through all four sides. “LDD” also still has some technical flaws which need polishing. The two sources need synching anyway to make them run at the same speed.

What I hope for is this: I would like someone else to combine these two albums and to make any further corrections as necessary. It’s possible known gaps within the existing vinyl transfer will now be solved.

Setlist (run times approximate)

“Cymbaline” TMOQ 2804

Atom Heart Mother S1 13:31
Atom Heart Mother S2 13:27
Fat Old Sun 12:19
Cymbaline 10:12
A Saucerful Of Secrets 21:17

“Pink Floyd Live Dittolino Discs” D2

Atom Heart Mother S1 13:27
Atom Heart Mother S2 13:33
Fat Old Sun 12:15
Cymbaline 10:11
A Saucerful Of Secrets 21:36

Technical notes: “Cymbaline” ran different speeds at every cut. This means AHM1 and AHM2 were different from each other, and that FOS and Cymbaline were different even though coming from the same record side. This was a very difficult record to pitch correctly, and I’m not confident it’s at 100%, you’ll have to tell me. It was pitched both on the turntable, then digitally by very small increments. “LDD” ran constantly at the wrong speed and is probably also correct, but I believe there’s a change in pitch somewhere within ASOS. “LDD” unfortunately was purchased well-used, and the outer edges of all four sides are feathered. Most of that has been corrected. To me, “LDD” may have a better sound quality. There’s some static on both sources when the volume is increased at the beginning of each side. Since it is on both sources, I would have to say it’s in the unit used for transferring the tape to vinyl, and that the same unit was used on both occasions.”

From one of the threads that started the discussion:

“Recently I discovered a CDR I made from a LP I acquired behind the ‘University Center’ of USF during late 1983. I no longer have the LP which is too bad since it sounds like it would have been worth a high quality transfer. This LP is the alternate recorder for this date and after a quick comparison to the ‘Creatures Of The Deep’ alternate recorder [Dub’s master tape], I decided that some people may prefer this version. […] The LP was one of the two versions identified in the links below. I recall the ‘Full Tilt’ Label but also the ‘GLC’ label. Mine had a beige colored insert, but no colored vinyl.

Cymbaline (2804 A/D)
Cymbaline (LXXXIV SERIES #16)

‘LPP Revision’
01. [12:14] Fat Old Sun
02. [10:09] Cymbaline
03. [21:34] A Saucerful Of Secrets
04. [26:49] Atom Heart Mother

|| [70:48] Total”

“Well, that recording is by Dub Taylor, one of the partners who ran the TMOQ boot label, and this “Cymbaline” boot is from TMOQ, so I assumed they were the same. I’ll have to give it a closer listen now. Even if the same, a clean LP transferred from a young master tape may very well be sonically superior!

edit 2010-04-26: It’s the same recorder. Same cut due to tape flip at about 22:20 into AHM. The Dub Taylor tape sounds waaaayyy better to me.

edit 2010-05-08: Carefully listened to “Fat Old Sun” and “Cymbaline” from both; I agree they are indeed two different recorders. ” [**Alternate_Recorder-2**/page4]


– While Dub recorded this concert as well and it remained in his collection until he sold it in the late 1980’s, it seems he never used it to manufacture a bootleg as all vinyl releases contain a different source tape. is therefore correct that only Ken (and Dittolino) released this concert and this explains why it is absent from Dub’s catalog.


I am not convinced if the issues with the large 1/2/3/4 labels were not in fact a copy done significantly later (‘cloudy/milky’ colored vinyl found in conjunction with such labels seems to point to a later release date). The only image of such a release I found was clearly described as a newer copy/”fake” bootleg (of Italian origin, limited to 100):

Pink Floyd 2804 copy


In fact, if you look here:     

most of these are fakes sometimes even correctly called as such: “Reissue” and “test pressings” – bootleggers rarely did test pressings, advance stamped covers perhaps on occasion – produced apparently in 2012 judging by the auction dates and influx of fakes. It looks as if the same seller had started out not disclosing the fact that these were fakes and made some good money that way (see the telltale terracotta floor tiles in the background of each auction image).


Unfortunately, [links are now dead] did not list this release on either their TMOQ (Dub) or TMOQ2 (Ken) page and this makes it hard to pinpoint the exact release date.


The TMOQ original will be looked at in more detail when I present the TMOQ releases.