JEFFERSON AIRPLANE ‘Up Against THE WALL MOTHER F’ (a WCF copy, # 750)

Jefferson Airplane UATW WCF

If you see this with a light brown-grey insert, it is likely the WCF version.

Which was the original version? The two contenders are:

  1. The JA-9999 version with matrix S-2583/4, reminding us of those used by Dittolino, except if this title came out in 1970 the numbers are off in that a 1971 release such as the rolling stones live in concert used lower numbers

 

 

2. This TMOQ title, released ca. March 1971 – square label version, a recent find for me (much rarer than the 1/2 round label versions).  Are the square label ones first editions? Can anyone confirm?

Is that the insert seen above a genuine TMOQ item? I have never seen this again with a TMOQ pressing and we have to consider that one of the owners of this album may have added it later. Further evidence against it is seen in another ‘square label’ version, which has the standard TMOQ-produced insert for this title:

UPDATE:  Within minutes of posting, I received this image showing the full insert and making it look more likely that TMOQ had copied the material:

Jeff Airpl UATW 1st insert

Thank you, Karl for the image.

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The material presented on UATW comes from two PBS TV programs: “Go Ride The Music” recorded 2nd of  April, 1970 at Wally Heider Studio, San Francisco (tracks A1, A2, A4 – B3) and “A Night At Family Dog” recorded 4th of February, 1970 at Family Dog on the Great Highway (supposedly broadcast on 27 February and 13 December 1970), tracks A3 + B4.

My current preferred theory is that the release date for the TMOQ version is too late to be the original source for this, so, my money is currently on the JA-9999 version.

Isn’t it also more likely that Dub & Ken removed the ‘F’ after “Mother” from their insert instead of another bootlegger adding it on theirs?

The timeline for these three versions then looks approximately like this:

  • JA-9999 original released ca. June of 1970
  • TMOQ with square labels and the copied “cop drawing” insert released around March of 1971
  • The WCF version released ca. middle of 1971 to early 1972

 

 

 

 

 

10 comments
  1. Andrew Molloy said:

    Do you mean WCF released a version of the TMOQ title Faces Plynth? My version of that is on TMOQ, is on orange vinyl, and has the matrix number SF506 so I guess that’s not what you’re looking for pics of?

  2. Yes, that’s the implication. Those two entries came from Japan but unfortunately without any mentioned title, so my “Plynth?” was just a guess.

  3. YesDays said:

    Regarding the Bob Dylan “John Birch Society Blues” title mentioned in this post, it is listed in the “Raging Glory” book by Dennis R. Liff. It is included in a section on the Berkeley releases of “John Birch Society Blues”, however the book lists all of the issues as having the “BD-509” matrix, except this issue. It is simply listed as “Berkeley, stamped cover”, the 773 A/B matrix and also noted to have blank labels. One other note about the listing of this title in the book, all the other Berkeley issues are noted as corresponding to a listing in “Great White Answers” by Dominique Roques (1980). This one with the 773 matrix is not.

    • For some reason, WCF used the same matrix as TMOQ.
      The 773 version is truly an odd one. Why would WCF suddenly copy a TMOQ stamp when they’ve never done it before (or after)?

      • YesDays said:

        Regarding the “…same matrix as TMOQ…” , Liff documents all the TMOQ releases as having either the “BD-509 A/B” matrix (early versions) or the “1803 A/B” matrix with “BD-509 A/B” scratched out (later versions). Concerning the cover “stamp”, yes that seems to be a copy of TMOQ, which itself may have been a copy of the original release that had matrix “417 A/B” …..?? (it’s not clear according to Liff, and also “Great White Answers” which came first: “417 A/B” or TMOQ and it’s BD-509″ matrix, although the indication is that “417 A/B” was the original).

        • Just looked at one of the first editions with the 417-A & 417-B / 111- A & B ‘superimposed on each other matrix’ with the primitive non-boxed stamp and that yellow disclaimer sticker (“No relationship whatsover exists…”) looks so terribly familiar. I thought I had seen this on CBM but looking through my CBM images turns up nothing … frustrating.

        • Found it! The same yellow disclaimer notice can be found on a copy of Donovan’s Reedy River on Seagull Records with the blue ‘Beatles Homogenized-style sticker’ insert substitute (I’ve shown it on this blog, I think). So, what does this mean for “417 A/B”?

          • YesDays said:

            Thanks for the information and research, spinalcrackerbox. Liff makes no reference to the disclaimer sticker on any of the entries for this title. However, if there’s documented evidence in the form of an image or picture, then it exists. I’m not certain what it means, but I have a strong suspicion that the “417 A/B” matrix (with 111 AB superimposed on side 2) was actually a TMOQ release. I think Liff and the other journalists may have been confused by this because this original and early version did not have the widely familiar TMOQ colored cardboard sleeve and pig stickers. According to Liff and the others, the “417 A/B” version simply had a stamped white jacket (in different colors of the stamp), sometimes with the stamp boxed and sometimes not, and blank white labels. It doesn’t have the widely familiar TMOQ look, but it certainly looks like the original “Great White Wonder” produced by the TMOQ fellows with its stamped white jacket.

            • I have since been informed that the first issue is supposed to have no stamp at all but a blue label with silver writing “G.W.W. SINGS THE JOHN BIRCH…” and an inner ring (also exists with a “deep groove”, then a larger stamp that didn’t work well and finally the one I found (although we still have not arrived at the bordered stamp w. the quotation marks they finally settled on). I will show these two posts from now. I also believe JBSB was originally made by the TMOQ guys.

  4. YesDays said:

    What you have stated about the original release corresponds to the Dennis Liff book, which cites the source of information as “Great White Answers” and also the U.K. Dylan magazine “Telegraph” (in this case, issue #14 on page 77). According to these sources, the original was titled “GWW Sings The John Birch Society Blues”. It was released in the USA in 1970, had a blank white cover, and silver and blue colored “full information” labels (meaning the labels had detailed information, like songs titles, an album title, a label name, etc..). And it had the “417 A/B” matrix with 111 A/B superimposed on Side 2.

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