Monthly Archives: August 2014

The terms ‘boot’ and ‘leg’ have been joined ever since working boots that reached above the ankle, probably since the 1620’s.

The term found it’s way into public jargon, as evidenced by its appearance in newspaper articles around the late 19th century. As it was still relatively new, it was ‘tried out’ in different contexts:

bootleg coffee[from: Investigation of the state prisons and report thereon, New York (State). Prison Commission, The Commission, 1876]

Related to the above, the term “bootleg soup” survived to this day and stands for a concoction based on leftovers (sometimes of questionable origin?). That certainly gives us an idea what that coffee must have tasted like…


Ten years later and the term has now firmly acquired a negative meaning, probably due to stories from the Old West about weapons, such as a knife, hidden in the upper part of a boot. I doubt it came from bottles of ‘moonshine’ actually being transported in this manner, as has often been suggested.

In 1889, a definition linking the term to illicit trade can be found:

bootlegging[B. R. Porter, Probate Judge of Anderson County, Kansas, in The Economics of Prohibition, 1890, re-quoted from an 1889 report in The Voice]


The first case of linking the term to describe records/music that I have found, comes from a work of fiction: RENO FEVER by Dorothy Walworth Carman, published in 1932

Reno fever q


10 years later, “the American Federation of Musicians, at the instigation of union president James Petrillo, started a strike against the major American recording companies because of disagreements over royalty payments. Beginning at midnight, July 31, no union musician could record for any record company.” [wikipedia]

Needless to say, someone saw a business opportunity and the term “bootleg” became linked with being a strike breaker.

Bootleg Tag-page0001


Finally, in the 1950’s, ‘bootleg records’ started to refer to ‘pirate/unauthorized records’:

bootlegging RC article 12 51

[Record Changer magazine, December 1951 issue]


RECORD ‘PIRACY’ CHARGED IN SUIT; Columbia and Louis Armstrong Allege Paradox Bootlegged ‘Jolly Roger’ Series RECORD ‘PIRACY’ CHARGED IN SUIT


The first major blow against alleged “pirates” and “bootleggers” in the record industry was struck yesterday. Columbia Records, Inc., and Louis Armstrong, jazz musician, filed a complaint in New York Supreme Court against Paradox Industries, Inc., for the alleged re-recording of Columbia’s Armstrong “Jolly Roger” series and the sale of it under misleading brand labels. […]
[The New York Times]
Finally, in 1969, the arrival of the rock bootleg:
dylan bootleg NY Times 69


Reinventing itself – the meaning in 2014:


I so far have not pursued the purchase of original magazines from the 1970’s but it has been on my mind for a while as many of the articles are not online or only as a paid subscription – like that copy of Circus magazine, to see if really mentions the first Pink Floyd bootleg.

There is, for example a longer story in Harper’s Monthly, January 1974 with a 4 page article called The bootleg blues by Ed Ward [viewing this article would otherwise require a $40 annual online subscription]. I have also been researching which issue of Esquire had the Scott Johnson interview (Rubber Dubber) in it and if I find that out, will put that on my list.

My suggestion would be if anyone wants to contribute and send me a couple of $s to my PayPal account, you would receive a scan of the article as well, as soon as I have obtained the magazine.

Our first target would be to raise $16.60 this week to buy a copy of Harper’s. A new copy of the October ’71 issue of Circus is also offered but I find it too expensive at almost $30. Funds received in excess of the target will be used for the next purchase.

Please leave a comment if you wish to participate and I will respond directly to your personal email address.

ROD STEWART WITH SMALL FACES – ‘NET WT. VERY HEAVY’  previously included in this post

JAMES TAYLOR – ‘FIRE + RAIN’ (TAILOR MADE)  now updated & included in this post

NEIL YOUNG – ‘NIEL’ LIVE  included in this post with a better image




And there you have all Dittolino Disc releases. We still don’t know who was behind this label but this series of posts were a lot more interesting than I had first expected.

Russel L Session

Russell L Session lbl

Image of the label found with the cover shown above.

Matrix: 111A / B

This show – Homewood Session, Vine Street Theatre, Hollywood, CA – was originally broadcast on December 5, 1970 (US TV, KCET Los Angeles). A note adds:

The Vine Street Theatre had a little studio in the back part of the building. The show is billed on the theatre marquee at the beginning as “The Vine Street Theatre presents Homewood”, but the on air host calls it “Session”. They actually shot six hours but only broadcast one hour. As Leon says in the opening intro from when it was rebroadcast, it was unscripted and unrehearsed. Leon also says that it was the first national broadcast of a “stereo” rock and roll performance but that would have required an FM simulcast, since American television was not stereo in 1970 or even in the 1980s when this was probably rebroadcast.

From the video:

00:00:00:00 chapter 1 Leon’s intro to KCET rebroadcast
00:00:26:17 chapter 2 original show intro
00:03:15:04 chapter 3 Will The Circle Be Unbroken?
00:06:36:00 chapter 4 Jim’s Thing
00:09:30:14 chapter 5 It Takes A Lot To Laugh It Takes A Train To Cry
00:14:50:17 chapter 6 Delta Lady [with false starts]
00:19:52:22 chapter 7 Song For You
00:25:12:08 chapter 8 Good Morning Jury [Furry Lewis solo]
00:27:56:15 chapter 9 John Henry [Furry Lewis solo]
00:30:38:21 chapter 10 Furry’s Blues [Furry Lewis with Leon and band]
00:33:12:25 chapter 11 Amos Burke
00:36:03:12 chapter 12 Honky Tonk Woman
00:39:29:04 chapter 13 Sweet Emily
00:42:54:26 chapter 14 Prince Of Peace
00:46:24:05 chapter 15 Girl From The North Country
00:49:14:07 chapter 16 Big Boss Man
00:52:15:03 chapter 17 Crystal Closet Queen
00:57:30:05 chapter 18 credits
00:58:52:25 end

From the closing credits: “Session – Leon Russell and Friends”:
Don Nix
Claudia Linnear
Kathi McDonald
Chuck Blackwell
Jim Horn
John Gallie
Furry Lewis
Don Preston
Joey Cooper
Carl Radle
One of the most copied bootlegs of 1971. It is not clear which bootleg label came out first with this (I doubt it was Dittolino). The main contenders are:


Russell MoSaTRussell MoSaT b

Russell TMOSAT ins


SESSION on Bush Records:

Russell L SESSION Bush

Russell L SESSION lbl A

Russell L SESSION lbl B

Also available on Mother Records [JX-101 – is that the matrix?] with a slightly different cover:

Russel L & Friends Session red label


Dub & Ken’s first version on their short lived 1971 KEYLO sub label:

Russell L RLfaEB yel lbl

Russell L RLfaEB 2

Their second pressing, ca July 1972:

Russell L Sessions pink

And their third version:

Russel L & Friends SessionRussel L & F Session back

HOTWACKS quote: “The best (sounding version) is on an unnamed label. This copy can be identified by the DBW (cover) which lists the playing time as 46 minutes.”

A different opinion found on the net: “There was another release of the show: Recorded Live from an Earlier Broadcast. I found the Master of Space and Time release the most equilibrated [sic]. “

Russell L Session 3

A Contraband version is supposed to exist, according to HOTWACKS but i could not find a trace of it.


Comments from a needledrop done by – who else – Doinker (whom I would also like to thank for some of these images):

“This superb show has unfortunately never been released. The source is supposedly an FM simulcast, but I don’t believe it as the sound quality is a bit better than FM. This is from one of the many early bootleg vinyl pressings that were put out at the time, but is not from the Zerocks Records release that is the most common. The sound quality on that release was not as good as the Bush Records vinyl, so the Bush Records vinyl was used instead.

The outro at the end of So Strange was taken from the Zerocks Records release, it doesn’t appear on the Bush version.

The Furry who sings Furry’s Blues is the same Furry who Joni Mitchell wrote a song about (Furry Sings The Blues). As the story goes, the old man gave his permission at first, then sued her when the song became more popular.”

“I still have the little frog flyer that I clipped out of the LA Times. The show was simulcast with KPPC FM from Pasadena.”

Russell L ad

This really is from a different time and place. There is an innocence and unscripted experimental willingness (here’s some air time, see what you can come up with) just in that image alone that is refreshing and which we have certainly lost.

Rolling Stones Stone LiveRolling Stones Stone Live A

Finally, a copy found with the rarely seen ‘A’ label, first found on for the Pink Floyd title. Does this mean these two releases might have been among the first Dittolino releases? Another opinion just came in, placing this label significantly later: ca. 1975.

A lbl

MATRIX: S-2110 // S-2111

Released in late 1970 or 1971 (see comment below last image in this post).

Source: Oakland Coliseum, 9 November 1969 – 2nd show

01. intro
02. Jumping Jack Flash
03. Carol  3:47 [3:30]
04. Sympathy for the Devil  6:20  [6:02]
05. Stray Cat Blues
06. Prodigal Son
07. You Gotta Move
08. Love in Vain  5:35 [4:47]
09. I’m Free  5:45  [5:07]
10. Under My Thumb
11. Midnight Rambler  7:52  [7:20]
12. Live with Me  3:11  [2:58]
13. Gimme Shelter  4:02  [3:43]
14. Little Queenie  5:03  [3:52]
15. Satisfaction
16. Honky Tonk Women  4:23  [3:50]
17. Street Fighting Man  4:19  [3:48]

Song order was changed on the bootleg. Times in brackets given for the Dittolino release. It could mean that it runs faster or just that the Lurch Records track lengths include part of the in-between song ambiance.

Likely a copy of Dub & Ken’s second ever release or another of the many early “LiveR” clones.

Rolling Stones Liver blu st


It seems when it came to their two Rolling Stones titles the “Art Department” at Dittolino Discs didn’t exactly break out into a sweat.

Rolling Stones In Concert 70 insert

Rolling Stones In Concert 70

Rolling Stones In Concert 70 lbl

Matrix: 6970-A s2370 / 6971-A s2372 / 6971 -B s-2371 3 / 6970-B S-2371

Released in 1971

Source: Essen, Grugahalle – 7 October 1970

Side 1:  Jumping Jack Flash [03:55] / Roll Over Beethoven [02:25] / Sympathy For The Devil [07:34]             Side 2:  Stray Cat Blues  [04:14] / Love In Vain  [05:23] / Dead Flowers  [04:03]                                              Side 3:  Midnight Rambler [10:22] / Live With Me  [04:36]                                                                              Side 4:  Let It Rock [03:19] / Little Queenie [04:19] / Brown Sugar [03:22]             

Rolling Stones  on tour 2

An original DD insert and not homemade using “just Mick” from the commonly found group composition art work. I wish a better image was available to read all the writing.        


Likely a straight copy of this Rubber Dubber 2 LP release:

Rolling Stones Euro Tour Live 1970 red lbl     


Other cover variations – I am not saying that all of these were used by Dittolino:

Rolling Stones In ConcertRolling Stones Stoned in Europe

The last one shown comes with silver labels:

Rolling Stones Stoned in Europe lbl 1Rolling Stones Stoned in Europe lbl 2Rolling Stones Stoned in Europe lbl 3Rolling Stones Stoned in Europe lbl 4***

RS GYYYO poster

Promo poster for Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out! The Rolling Stones in Concert

Since that album was only released in early September of 1970, this would help us date the bootlegs.


Three different cover types exist: The one shown above, the Escher type insert (in blue or pink) or just stamped. The main label variations are: Dittolino logo, 1/2, blank, and later smoking pig and ‘large A’ labels (I have never seen the last two variations but flodboots lists them).

In addition, the records were pressed on clear and white PVC. I believe that these copies, including the smoking pig and ‘large A’ labels were produced significantly later by some other enterprising outfit than the original Dittolino guys but would be happy to be proven wrong in this.

Pink Floyd Live 4

Pink Floyd Live 5

Pink Floyd Live clear

Pink Floyd Live white


Pink Floyd EscherPink Floyd Escher coverPink Floyd D-2 matrixPink Floyd D-2 matrix 2

Above: Matrix markings for sides 1 and 4.


The stamped copies may in fact have been the first pressing:

Pink Floyd Live stamp 3

Pink Floyd Live stamp



Live at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium
Santa Monica, California
Friday October 23, 1970

1st set (bold songs selected for the vinyl bootleg master)
01. Astronomy Domine
02. Green Is The Colour -> Careful With That Axe, Eugene
03. Fat Old Sun
04. Set The Controls for the Heart of the Sun
05. Cymbaline
06. A Saucerful of Secrets
2nd set
07. Atom Heart Mother (with orchestra and choir)
08. Interstellar Overdrive (not recorded by Dub)

01. Atom Heart Mother [25:04] 02. Fat Old Sun [11:23] 03. Cymbaline [9:20] 04. A Saucerful Of Secrets [20:26]

“The 1st Pink Floyd bootleg (made in the USA as European titles pre-date it), according to a 1971 article in Circus magazine, was simply called “LIVE” which was recorded in Santa Monica on 10/23/70. The record was in a plain white cover and stamped. I believe this may have been a Dittolino release.”

I wonder if this was the edition that mentioned it – October 1971:

Circus mag PF

Circus PF 71 article

These are the first two pages of the article written by Richard Meltzer. I enlarged it to 150% and you can read every word but there is no mention of an underground Pink Floyd record, However, this is not the complete article, so perhaps it’s mentioned on the next page. Does anyone have the complete article?


After a lengthy investigation, I have to concede that Dittolino Discs may have been the first bootlegger to release the first US Pink Floyd vinyl bootleg as the TMOQ version seems to have been pressed significantly later, perhaps in 1973. A couple of experts have even given the Dittolino version the audio quality edge over the TMOQ version:

“My instinct listening to it is that Cymbaline is a better transfer to vinyl possibly because a higher quality unit was used but they are a close enough match to conclude that the source tape / reel is very likely to be the same or no more than a generation apart. If they are a different generation my vote would go to Cymbaline being lower.”
Doinker: “Now that’s very funny you say that. To my ears, [the Dittolino Disc version, here called “LDD”] has better frequency response. But, that’s me.”


Here are the facts:

– If the Circus article from the October 1971 Circus issue is indeed the one, and they were referring to the Dittolino Discs version, that bootleg must have come out by August 1971 at the latest.

– Both the Dittolino Discs and the TMOQ release contain the same recording from the same source tape, as does the 1980’s version titled Cymbaline

Pink Floyd 2804 tan

The copy shown above, on black PVC, sold for 126 GBP in late 2010.

Pink Floyd Cymbaline re

An in depth discussion regarding the sources for this concert can be found on the Yeeshkul! Pink Floyd forum (registration required).


“According to recent threads on this website, the vinyl source (now sources) for this date are a different recorder than the Dub Taylor recording. I was asked to transfer the 2 LP TMOQ set “Cymbaline” at 24/96 as it’s understood to be different. Upon research, I found this to be the same recorder as an earlier TMOQ release “Pink Floyd Live Dittolino Discs”. I expected the two pressings to be identical, even though they are from different plates. They aren’t. There are different start points in the source tape used for each pressing, necessitating syncing and combining the two sets for maximum listening time.

“Cymbaline” should be considered complete enough to warrant torrenting on its own, but “LDD” is most certainly not. I cannot guarantee the speed runs totally correct through all four sides. “LDD” also still has some technical flaws which need polishing. The two sources need synching anyway to make them run at the same speed.

What I hope for is this: I would like someone else to combine these two albums and to make any further corrections as necessary. It’s possible known gaps within the existing vinyl transfer will now be solved.

Setlist (run times approximate)

“Cymbaline” TMOQ 2804

Atom Heart Mother S1 13:31
Atom Heart Mother S2 13:27
Fat Old Sun 12:19
Cymbaline 10:12
A Saucerful Of Secrets 21:17

“Pink Floyd Live Dittolino Discs” D2

Atom Heart Mother S1 13:27
Atom Heart Mother S2 13:33
Fat Old Sun 12:15
Cymbaline 10:11
A Saucerful Of Secrets 21:36

Technical notes: “Cymbaline” ran different speeds at every cut. This means AHM1 and AHM2 were different from each other, and that FOS and Cymbaline were different even though coming from the same record side. This was a very difficult record to pitch correctly, and I’m not confident it’s at 100%, you’ll have to tell me. It was pitched both on the turntable, then digitally by very small increments. “LDD” ran constantly at the wrong speed and is probably also correct, but I believe there’s a change in pitch somewhere within ASOS. “LDD” unfortunately was purchased well-used, and the outer edges of all four sides are feathered. Most of that has been corrected. To me, “LDD” may have a better sound quality. There’s some static on both sources when the volume is increased at the beginning of each side. Since it is on both sources, I would have to say it’s in the unit used for transferring the tape to vinyl, and that the same unit was used on both occasions.”

From one of the threads that started the discussion:

“Recently I discovered a CDR I made from a LP I acquired behind the ‘University Center’ of USF during late 1983. I no longer have the LP which is too bad since it sounds like it would have been worth a high quality transfer. This LP is the alternate recorder for this date and after a quick comparison to the ‘Creatures Of The Deep’ alternate recorder [Dub’s master tape], I decided that some people may prefer this version. […] The LP was one of the two versions identified in the links below. I recall the ‘Full Tilt’ Label but also the ‘GLC’ label. Mine had a beige colored insert, but no colored vinyl.

Cymbaline (2804 A/D)
Cymbaline (LXXXIV SERIES #16)

‘LPP Revision’
01. [12:14] Fat Old Sun
02. [10:09] Cymbaline
03. [21:34] A Saucerful Of Secrets
04. [26:49] Atom Heart Mother

|| [70:48] Total”

“Well, that recording is by Dub Taylor, one of the partners who ran the TMOQ boot label, and this “Cymbaline” boot is from TMOQ, so I assumed they were the same. I’ll have to give it a closer listen now. Even if the same, a clean LP transferred from a young master tape may very well be sonically superior!

edit 2010-04-26: It’s the same recorder. Same cut due to tape flip at about 22:20 into AHM. The Dub Taylor tape sounds waaaayyy better to me.

edit 2010-05-08: Carefully listened to “Fat Old Sun” and “Cymbaline” from both; I agree they are indeed two different recorders. ” [**Alternate_Recorder-2**/page4]


– While Dub recorded this concert as well and it remained in his collection until he sold it in the late 1980’s, it seems he never used it to manufacture a bootleg as all vinyl releases contain a different source tape. is therefore correct that only Ken (and Dittolino) released this concert and this explains why it is absent from Dub’s catalog.


I am not convinced if the issues with the large 1/2/3/4 labels were not in fact a copy done significantly later (‘cloudy/milky’ colored vinyl found in conjunction with such labels seems to point to a later release date). The only image of such a release I found was clearly described as a newer copy/”fake” bootleg (of Italian origin, limited to 100):

Pink Floyd 2804 copy


In fact, if you look here:     

most of these are fakes sometimes even correctly called as such: “Reissue” and “test pressings” – bootleggers rarely did test pressings, advance stamped covers perhaps on occasion – produced apparently in 2012 judging by the auction dates and influx of fakes. It looks as if the same seller had started out not disclosing the fact that these were fakes and made some good money that way (see the telltale terracotta floor tiles in the background of each auction image).


Unfortunately, [links are now dead] did not list this release on either their TMOQ (Dub) or TMOQ2 (Ken) page and this makes it hard to pinpoint the exact release date.


The TMOQ original will be looked at in more detail when I present the TMOQ releases.