Is Ken also responsible for the Dittolino Disc titles?

This is how “bad” it has become. When you enter “Dittolino Discs” into Google you get 20 hits ** every single one of them pointing back at this blog**!! How can I do research this way? OK, there may only have been less than 50 people since the invention of the internet and search engines to enter that label name but that is beside the point. Well, here we go then, adding THE Dittolini Disc master posts then.

floydboots.com have always maintained that: “Whilst together Dub & Ken also released albums on….  Dittolino Discs”

 

Dittolini lbl

Where it gets really interesting when you look up the entries for the sole Dittolino Pink Floyd title – LIVE :

 

Pink Floyd Live 3

and the one it is based on, according to them: TMOQ’s ‘missing in Hot Wacks’ double, LIVE (2804):

 

Pink Floyd 2804 gree

 

floydboots.com then writes: “ANOTHER ODDITY IS THAT TMOQ WERE ALSO CERTAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DITTOLINO RECORD LABEL AND THIS TITLE WAS RELEASED ON DITTOLINO DISCS AS PINK FLOYD ‘LIVE’, BUT DIFFERENT PRESSING PLATES WERE USED (D2 A/D)…

“THIS TITLE WAS NOT LISTED IN THE ‘OFFICIAL’ TMOQ CATALOGUE WHICH WAS IN FACT PRODUCED SOLELY BY ‘DUB’ AFTER THE SPLIT, SO IT IS REASONABLE REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THIS ALBUM IS ENTIRELY THE WORK OF ‘KEN’ ON HIS OWN. “

[In regards to the finding that two sources exist for this Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, 23 October 1970, recording, the experts do seem to be in agreement that what can be found on the vinyl bootlegs ‘TMOQ 2804’ and LIVE (Dittolino)  and the 1980s reissue CYMBALINE (TMOQ) all came from the same source tape – see http://roio.prv.pl/Pink%20Floyd%20Solo.html]

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So, if we decide to follow the logic that ‘2804’ was Ken’s work, could we then also infer that Dittolini Discs was all Ken? This label was pressed in the Southern California as well, I would venture a guess, so that is another link.

What speaks against this is that Ken has never mentioned having been behind the Dittolino titles (not that there were that many). Any opinions on this?

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13 comments
  1. John said:

    I will ask Ken about this..personally in my feeling is that Dittolino was from the Dubber!!..just an emotional option however…

  2. Karl said:

    This is a selection of Dittolino Disc releases:

    Beatles – As Sweet As You Are
    Beatles – Last Live Show
    Creedence Clearwater Revival – Revived
    Crosby, Stills & Nash – Bluebird
    Bob Dylan – Looking Back 2 LP
    Elton John – Live 2 LP
    Grateful Dead – Live Dead 2 LP
    Jethro Tull – Reasons For Waiting
    Janis Joplin – Get It While You Can 2 LP
    Led Zeppelin – Gone To California 1 LP
    Pink Floyd – Live 2 LP
    Rolling Stones – Stone Live
    Rolling Stones – On Tour Live 70 2 LP
    James Taylor – Fire & Rain
    Neil Young – Niel 2 LP

    These are all titles that I would place into 1970/1971 so from this list we can conclude that Dittolino Discs did not last long. It wouldn’t have made sense for Ken to release inferior variations of the TMOQ back catalouge when he was doing similar titles as “TMOQ” at the same time. In my view it is also not Dub’s handwriting, no reason to release Essen 70 2 LP by the Stones or a Janis Joplin 2 LP that he carefully remastered to a single LP issue on TMOQ. Some of these can be found both with custom printed labels and Dittolino Insert or the Dittolino label pictured in Spinalcracker’s post. Many of these have a S-2xxx matrix but not all. I find it reasonable to assume that Dittolino Discs were made by a Californian bootlegger who just copied/repressed the top selling titles by that time.

    • Thank you for the list, I will compare it with what I have found so far. Yes, it’s very noticeable that they simply stopped and disappeared rather suddenly and yes, Dittolino were pretty much just a copy label.

  3. Yesdays said:

    I tend to concur with the theory that Ken was not responsible for Dittolino. Primarily because different pressing plates were used, and frankly the packaging of Dittolino was cheap, low-class compared to TMOQ and the stamped covers with stickers, etc. And I think Ken knew how to spell Neil Young’s name. I believe it’s generally accepted that Dittolino was an early 1970’s, Southern California producer, and tend to agree with those who feel Dittolino was just a cheap, early copy-cat of TMOQ.

  4. I am pretty convinced that neither Ken nor Dub had anything to do with Dittolino Records. I just wanted to set the record straight and counter what’s written on floydboots.com.

  5. John said:

    Ken just told me he had nothing to do with Dittolino..

  6. Tommy said:

    Really fascinating stuff, thanks to all of you!

  7. John said:

    dear Spinal…sorry you must understand that ken doesn´t want talk to much about his past..and i think you prob know that. For real fascinating and really important questions about his white record years, i think we could better save our most important questions for the real deal!! ..questions and things who set the history in it´s right balance. Maybe we can go hunt out for people who were involved in the bussiness and were never ever interviewed or seen the light or day. Fe. the Rubber dubber…why shouldn´t we go out and visit him in jail for an interesting interv and some great video talks.. Sent our hunters to Vicky….or Dr Tellyph, ….let´s go out and find master HAR….it must be not to difficult…let´s find the designers who made the fab covers who were made by name…Tim Tegge f.e……

    • Well, some of the people you mentioned really don’t want to talk about their past (Vicky Vinyl, for example), I have a feeling (unlike Ken, who at least some years ago seemed quite open about it all). What you suggest would be part of a bigger project like a documentary and I know someone who would like to make this happen. I personally don’t have the time and live in the wrong place for that, so this blog will be my contribution to serve as an information gathering point (I hope).

  8. Yesdays said:

    A guy who posts a massive blog on the internet about what he did, and then includes parts of it on his business website, isn’t my idea of someone who “doesn’t want to talk much…..”

  9. J said:

    hello Yesperson…..he told his story and that’s enough for him He hates it as people only know him and want to know him for his pastdays. Suche a big hero he was in many, many people’s eyes..the biggest hero’s are the ones who don’t want to talk about their business…!!…. And to be honest….i was a bootlegger also and for an unknown reason i don’t want to talk about that.! not to say that i see myself as a hero, oh no…Ken, Dub, Har, Andrea are the real ones!!…… but because i know you are a devoted reader of this fantastic blog…post me a PM and i will give you links.

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