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Dylan GW Answers

I was aware of this very rare book, which forms the base of the bobsboots.com website. Well, last night I stumbled over this three volume tome that someone put together:

dylan bb covers

THE BOB DYLAN UNDERGROUND DISCOGRAPHY
VOLUME 1, 2 & 3
MINT SEALED

EXTREMELY RARE LIMITED EDITION OF ONLY 50 NUMBERED COPIES.
3 BOOKS, 1600 PAGES OF ENTRIES COVERING ALL THE KNOWN VINYL BOOTLEGS OF BOB DYLAN TILL END 2012.
MORE THAN 20.000 COLOUR PICTURES.
VOLUME SIZE 29,8 CM. X 21 CM. TALL 4 CM.
TOTAL WEIGHT 9 KILOS

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Now, this is a mouth full, as is the hefty asking minimum bid of almost $900 plus shipping from Italy. I’d love one but have to pass at this price.

Dylan B S M var

Above, variations found for TMoQ’s BURN SOME MORE

 

dylan bb 5

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Another image showed all the found variations for the Idle Mind title # 1109: DYLAN , BAEZ & THE ROLLING THUNDER REVIEW and I added it to that entry plus a page for the 2 LP TMoQ BBC BROADCAST was moved to the Von Grossenshush label post for obvious reasons.

Bowie MRS dfl

Bowie MRS dfl 2

HPIM1781.JPG

Bowie MRS Crash R

Narrow insert

Bowie MRS RR

Bowie MRS Canyon Recs f

Half-sized insert on a re-issue on Canyon Records

Bowie MRS Canyon Recs

Side 1:  Ziggy Stardust  (Sounds of the Seventies 11th or 18th January 1972) / Waiting For The Man (Sounds of the Seventies 11th or 18th January 1972) / The Supermen (Bob Harris show September 1971 ?) / Queen Bitch / (Sounds of the Seventies 11th or 18th January 1972) / Suffragette City – Top Gear May 1972

Side 2: White Light White Heat – Top Gear May 1972 / Hang Onto Yourself (Sounds of the Seventies 11th January 1972 or Top Gear May 1972) / Hang Onto Yourself / Moonage Daydream / Watch That Man [last 3 tracks Aladdin Sane Tour live at Long Beach Arena, 10 March 1973]

All the BBC tracks probably released on the official Bowie At The Beep.

It is relatively easy to date My Radio Sweetheart due to the dedication to Marc Bolan, who died on 17 September 1977. Note that the name of the record label is “tastefully” listed as “Crash Records”.

Bolancrash

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The live tracks were left overs from a mediocre sounding audience tape supplied by future bootlegger John Wizardo that he had lent out in 1973 to TMoQ, which released the following album from it in July of that year (I wonder if this was around the time that Take Linda Surfing and Miracle Muffler were made on Wizardo’s behalf by TMoQ?). It should be noted that by this time, TMoQ’s last contemporary release had been Bowie’s In America among a glut of releases presenting concerts/outtakes recorded at least two years ago or more. I can see Dub welcoming this new tape to satisfy buyers looking for something other than older Grateful Dead/Deep Purple or Hendrix. … Fast forward to late 1977 and Vicky Vinyl had some time to fill on her latest Bowie release and her old friend suggests the tracks that didn’t make it onto the TMoQ disc way back then…

Bowie TAAB insert

Bowie TAAB big pig

Bowie TAAB green lbl

This album still has held up well in value and still goes for a good price, even if the cover is Vg-, stained etc . I will eventually review the TMoQs but it needs some pre-studying unlike these other labels.

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The following was taken from a reconstruction job of the Long Beach material available on both vinyl bootlegs:

David Bowie
Long Beach Arena
Long Beach California
March 10 1973 REMASTERED

Lineage: Vinyl LP’s “All American Bowie” & “My Radio Sweetheart Dual

This parial show is compiled from 2 lps of various quality.  I do not know the reasoning behind the packaging of these lps. Most of My Radio Sweetheart is from a Sound of The Seventies broadcast with the exception of the 3 tracks plus Ode To Joy from LB. The sound is different between the 2 sources

Flaws of All American Bowie
1. running order of tracks all over the map
2. fade ins
3. various sound quality
4. Aladin Sane picks up on Garsons solo

Flaws of My Radio Sweetheart
1. Speed problem
2. A lot of high end, bad eq job

The set list is probably not in order, it is presented this way without having to switch back and forth between sources as much.There is a lot of hiss on these sources, … .

Performance is fantastic. Rono as usual is on fire and Garson’s solo in Aladin Sane is insane.

Tracklisting: *from My Radio Sweetheart
01 ‘Ode To Joy’ Intro
02 Hang On To Yourself
03 Ziggy Stardust
04 Changes
05 Moonage Daydream
06 Watch That Man
07 Panic In Detroit
08 Five Years
09 Aladin Sane (comes in on Garson’s solo)
10 My Death
11 Width Of A Circle
12 Time
13 Suffragette City

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Bowie Ziggy 2 II

Bowie ziggy 2 dfly

Bowie Ziggy 2 half

Bowie Ziggy 2 II

On 3rd of June 1971, David and his band, Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder, Mick Woodmansey, Mark Carr Pritchett plus George Underwood, Dana Gillespie and Geoffrey Alexander (aka Geoffrey MacCormack) went into the BBC’s Paris Studio in Lower Regent Street, London, to record an episode for David Peel’s In Concert radio show. It was first broadcast on 20th June 1971 on Radio One from 7PM – 8PM and repeated three days later.

The recorded songs were: Queen Bitch / Bombers / The Supermen / Looking For A Friend / Almost Grown (lead vocals Geoffrey Alexander) / Kooks / Song For Bob Dylan (lead vocals George Underwood) / Andy Warhol (lead vocals Dana Gillespie) and It Ain’t Easy (lead vocals David Bowie, Geoffrey Alexander and George Underwood)

Other Info: The rehearsal and recording started at 15:30 and ended at 24:00 on 3rd June 1971. For ‘It Ain’t Easy’ David Bowie sings the first verse, Geoffrey Alexander sings the second and George Underwood sings the third. ‘Oh! You Pretty Things’ was also recorded but dropped from the broadcast due to time restrictions. The original master tape to this session has been lost or wiped.

Four tracks ‘Bombers’, ‘Looking For A Friend’, ‘Almost Grown’ and ‘Kooks’ also appeared on the 1988 ‘Bowie At The Beeb’ (Cat. No. CN 5155/S) set of three BBC Transcription Services discs backed with three sides of ‘Bolan At The Beeb’. [All of this info taken from http://www.bowiewonderworld.com/collectors/bbc.htm%5D

Ziggy 2 is rounded out by David’s short musical appearance on the last episode of Bolan’s TV show Marc, filmed on 7 September 1977, but not broadcast until after Bolan’s funeral on (20 September 1977), which was also attended by David Bowie.

COMMENTS: “A funny gig from BBC’s “In Concert” series, with Bowie and a couple of friends singing their favourite songs as well as songs from the coming album HUNKY DORY. A very interesting version is ANDY WARHOL sung by Dana Gillespie! The sound quality isn’t very good, and QUEEN BITCH is not complete. The last song is from the TV show Marc, and is very short.”

GH CFAS

GH CFAS b

Last sealed copy on the planet, I’d say. Sealed in 1975 1976 – this is a second pressing – but looks surprisingly fresh.

Seller wrote: “Background on this album – we found two of these in a collection of about 18k records – most from the 60’s thru 80’s – of my wife’s uncle.  We live in the Vancouver area and believe both albums belonged to my wife’s Uncles. We know as brother’s (one 23 the other 17 – both hippies) with two friends they traveled to Seattle to watch George live.” So, both brothers found and bought the bootleg in 1975 after attending the concert and then kept them sealed among their ever growing collection.

I need to update the original listing for this. We know there were two versions, the 1 LP version, which only has some of the Seattle tracks and this one. The first 100 were numbered on the back, as shown here below:

Harrison 1974 detail

Harrison 1974 1 LP

The 1 LP version that sold for $1225 in September. I guess the seller already owned the double album. No back insert (did they have any?) and in VG+ shape around the edges.

It also seems that the “producers” were unsure what to call the album, as “Cry For A Shadow” appears prominently on the cover of the single LP version but only on the back insert of the second pressing.

 

Harrison bootleg collection

The 2 LP version as part of a Japanese Harrison bootleg vinyl collection.

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I have a few questions here (with updates from March of 2015):

Were the single disc and the double LP released at the same time? – Answered: Apparently no. The numbered double LP came first (with no mention of “Cry For A Shadow”) followed by unnumbered version of a Seattle only single LP and a repressing of the double with that new sub-title.

Was there a run of 100 first pressings for the single LPs as well?- Answered: Apparently no.

And was there a second pressing for the single LP version as well? – Answered: There seems to have only been one pressing for the single LP, produced for the first West Coast Beatles Convention in July of 1976.

Hot Wacks wrote that the “second pressing of this double set was only 100 copies”, yet these do not seem to be numbered. Did they mix that up with the first pressing?

What are the total numbers in existence?

Were there only two pressings? – Answered: The answer seems to be ‘yes’.

Rolling Stones AMMusic

Listed as PQ4-11

Same content as TMoQ’s Winter Tour 1973 and Berkley’s Nicaraguan Benefit Concert

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Rolling Stones MSG 1

Note the slightly different inserts. Without “1972” but with “Stereo” above and the other way around, below:

Rolling Stones MSG 2

“Perfect Quality” mentioned above the marijuana leaf logo.

Rolling Stones MSG 3

The content is probably identical with Madison and Mick’s Birthday Party.

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These two releases were just pointed out to me – many thanks for that!

Found these images in my GLC folder:

Beatles Have You Heard The Word green insert

Already looking at these side by side, it becomes obvious that they were made by the same producers and probably as part of a run of re-issues within a limited time frame.

Jethro Tull My God!

WHO GLC 414

The Who’s Who Are You (aka Mods & Rockers), better known fort the reissue with Ruthless Rhymes labels (some on red & blue PVC), which is even cataloged under GLC 414 and containing 16 tracks from their Philadelphia Spectrum KBFH recording from 4 December 1973:

WHO GLC 414 II

WHO GLC 414 d

Other releases with GLC numbers are (the last two releases previously reviewed on this blog):

GLC 411: Rolling Stones – All Meat Music ?

GLC 412: Neil Young – Young & Old

GLC 413: Elton John – B-B-B-Benny – Live in London

GLC 415: Crosby Stills Nash and Young “we waited 3 years for this”

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If you have any further examples of this label with the same design and in any color (not the block lettering found from 1983 onwards, which is much more common). please let me know.

Deep Purple JMTYL 2

Deep Purple JMTYL detail

Rolling Stones Rock Out Cock Out detail

There were two different cover designs, the “Music From Big Purple” shown above with the two figures in the bottom right corner and one without:

Deep Purple JMTYL

Deep Purple JMTYL Duck Hits MBP 990 A

Both versions can be found with “Duck Hits!”and Ruthless Rhymes labels. I did not find this with the blue 1970’s GLC labels shown previously with the Stones release and the Beatles Beatlemania but the Deep Purple LP can be found with the following matrix: 

GLC-212-A  re  /  GLC-212-B

– called the second pressing, which would support my theory that these releases date from around 1977.

Deep Purple JMTYL RR

This looks like a third cover variation.

Just as in the first example, I have found another one where the track list for side 2 is hidden or censored. Coincidentally, Hot Wacks states that only side 1 is from the California Jam Festival and side two contains pirated material from the official release In Concert.

Deep Purple JMTYL censored

The other vinyl bootleg to compare this with in term’s of sound quality would be PERKS AND TIT on TAKRL (also the one I would go to first, had this not since been officially released, as it has more California Jam material).

Set list taken from the 2003 official release:

Burn    (6:20)
Might Just Take Your Life    (4:50)
Lay Down, Stay Down    (4:46)
Mistreated    (10:24)    
Smoke On The Water    (8:56)
You Fool No One    (19:09)
Space Truckin’    (25:10)

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Yet another link between the Stones and the Deep Purple LP is that they have been listed with PQ numbers. In Hot Wacks rock out – cock out is listed as PQ211.

Just Might Take Your Life carries PQ 2004, which is also printed on the slip sheet.

I have now stumbled over another example, clearly produced by the same folks with a penchant for hallucinogenic cover art and an overall similar lay out:  PQ 401

Grateful Dead Double Dead

Not found with a GLC label but a plain white one:

Grateful Dead Double Dead lbl

which confirms my thesis that the 70s GLC label was used considerably later than 1974.

It is not hard to date DOUBLE DEAD , as it was a ‘Frankenstein’ creation born by combining Felt Forum 1971 and, more importantly for us, SILENT DEAD – TMoQ 73010. As ‘smoking pig’ releases 73008 (Dylan – Best of GWW) and 73018 (James Paul McCartney) have been confirmed as 1974 releases – the Dylan cover uses an image from his early 1974 tour – SILENT DEAD was released in the same year and DOUBLE DEAD subsequently after that.

If you know any further PQ releases, or have any other comments or additions, do let me know.

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A little excursion:

Coming back to that “Deep Purple” and DYLAN & THE BAND 1974 title font – it rang a bell too.

“Information:
A very rare and misunderstood LP from 1974 from the folks that would become TMOQ-2. The confusion lies both with the relative unavailability of the LP, and with misinformation of earlier chronologies. The earlier guides, Cable and Hot Wacks, failed to list it altogether. As it doesn’t have an actual title, it has been referred to by several. “1974” and “Oakland” among them. Great White Answers gives it the title “We Didn’t Really Get It On Until Oackland” from a misspelling of a quote on the back insert.

It also states that the cover is full printed. Most likely it never was. GWA also reports a blank label. While there might have been one or two blank, the labels were actually full printed with a “Great Live Concerts” label. More confusion set in with the publication of Raging Glory. It titles the set “Dylan & The Band 1974”. While it correctly lists the package features of two inserts and blue and yellow labels, it states that the set is a 1985 reissue of the original 1974 release. There was no reissue. The fact is, there were only a few copies manufactured in 1974 (Heylin suggests a 1977 date, although that would negate the theory of the piece being produced during the TMOQ changeover). They have inserts and full printed labels. GWA reported “Rolling Stones” LPs issued in the covers as well, but this is doubtful.

Whatever the reason for the small quantity run, at about the same time period TMOQ was releasing the St. Valentine Day box. This was from the show of 3 days later at Inglewood. Since the two shows were similar, it’s very feasible that this project simply got lost in the hubbub of the other projects, and in the transfer of power between the TMOQ regimes.

8 stars      NMP250

gwa95
Matrix: # 411 A/B/C/D”  

 

Deep Purple JMTYL detail title

Dylan & Band wdrgiouO 2

Deep Purple Murky Waters detail

Jethro Tull Superchd cropped

and:

Stevens C THMDD

Note how inserts with this font hawk the supposedly high fidelity of the recording.

…And there’s more!

Stevens Cat Catnip title

Stevens Cat Catnip 2

Here is a copy/reissue of TAKRL’s # 2927: British Tour 1973 – Untitled

John Elton BBB Benny

It appears that the 2 LP releases all had a front and a back insert like this one.

John Elton BBB Benny 2

Aha!

All of these releases can be found with black number labels as shown – however, they were clearly released much earlier than 1977, probably around 1974.  So for the Deep Purple re-issue, this might just have been “font recycling”.

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The ‘number labels’ & 70’s GLC connection is further cemented by this recent Bob Dylan ‘combo’ discovery that I did not find documented on bobsboots.com:

Dylan JBSB Stealin

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To summarize, the starting point was releases made by Vicki Vinyl on her Dragonfly/Duck Hits! label, including reissues.

This blog post traces similarities in the insert design between the two releases mentioned in the title and the rare Bob Dylan double set shown and the question: When was that Dylan double released? 1974 or 1977?

The font shared with the other bootlegs points to 1974 but the fact that it is only found with the early GLC (or Dragonfly) labels points to 1977. Perhaps there was a reissue of the Dylan title after all?

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font 2013

The font alive and kicking on Robert Plant’s 2014 tour poster, seen in December 2013.

Dylan & Band wdrgiouO

The title given on bobsboots.com is We Didn’t Really Get It On.. (Dylan & The Band 1974)

Dylan & Band wdrgiouO 3

Dylan & Band wdrgiouO b

A (rare) release sporting the same kind of GLC label(s) is this one, missed by Hot Wacks as well. It apparently exists with Dragonfly labels as well:

2LP DYLAN, BOB DYLAN & THE BAND 1974 DRAGONFLY RECORDS 4-11-ABCD Oakland, CA 2/11/74 black [from a list offered on iorr.org in 2010]

bobsboots.com believes that this album was made in 1974: “A very rare and misunderstood LP from 1974 from the folks that would become TMOQ-2. The confusion lies both with the relative unavailability of the LP, and with misinformation of earlier chronologies. The earlier guides, Cable and Hot Wacks, failed to list it altogether. As it doesn’t have an actual title, it has been referred to by several. “1974” and “Oakland” among them. Great White Answers gives it the title “We Didn’t Really Get It On Until Oackland” from a misspelling of a quote on the back insert. It also states that the cover is full printed. Most likely it never was. GWA also reports a blank label. While there might have been one or two blank, the labels were actually full printed with a “Great Live Concerts” label. More confusion set in with the publication of Raging Glory. It titles the set “Dylan & The Band 1974”. While it correctly lists the package features of two inserts and blue and yellow labels, it states that the set is a 1985 reissue of the original 1974 release. There was no reissue. “

While Heylin has placed it in in 1977 and seen in context with the other Vicki Vinyl releases – especially The Stones’ rock out – cock out * – and* the fact that this was also quoted to exist with Dragonfly labels leads me to believe that Heylin got it right and bobsboots is wrong here.

“The fact is, there were only a few copies manufactured in 1974 (Heylin suggests a 1977 date, although that would negate the theory of the piece being produced during the TMOQ changeover). They have inserts and full printed labels. GWA reported “Rolling Stones” LPs issued in the covers as well, but this is doubtful [Definitely with those labels, not sure how the “covers” comment is meant]. […] ”

8 stars      NMP250

gwa95
Matrix: # 411 A/B/C/D

Quality: More than decent, apparently.

http://www.bobsboots.com/boots/bt-w015.html

Source: Complete evening show at The Forum, Inglewood, CA, 11 February, 1974 states bobsboots.com but they played in Oakland that day. Evening show is correct though. The show was recorded and is up on wolfgangsvault:

http://www.concertvault.com/bob-dylan-and-the-band/oakland-coliseum-stadium-february-11-1974-late.html

Wolfgang’s Vault posted the entire show on their site and it remains one of the nicest surprises in their Bob Dylan collection.
The setlist is virtually identical to New York two weeks before.  But the performance is much tighter.

Side 1: Most Likely You Go Your Way / Lay Lady Lay / Just like Tom Thumb’s Blues / Rainy Day Women No. 12 and 35 / It Ain’t Me, Babe / Ballad of a Thin Man / Stage Fright+                               Side two: The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down+ / King Harvest+ / When You Awake +/ Up On Cripple Creek+ / All Along The Watchtower / Ballad of Hollis Brown / Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door
Side three: The Times / Just Like a Woman / Gates of Eden / Don’t Think Twice, It’s Alright / It’s Alright Ma (I’m only bleeding) / Rag Mama Rag+ / This wheel’s on fire+                                             Side four: The Weight+ / Forever Young / Highway 61 / Like A Rolling Stone / Maggie’s Farm / Blowin’ In The Wind

+ = performed by The Band

 

Dylan Band LA Forum 74

The Forum, three days after the recording discussed here.