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HOTWACKS states: Made from the same plates as ‘Live E.Jay’ (Dittolino Discs).

John E KEDAlive 2

John E KEDAlive 3

John E KED Alive lbl

WABC-FM New York radio broadcast – 17 November ’70, officially released on 9 April 1971, possibly after several bootleg titles had already been spotted. This created a unique situation, where for the first time in the history a commercial release had to compete with bootlegs containing identical material, available in sufficient quantities to cause concern.

However, as I have written here before, I am somewhat doubtful of the claim found on wikipedia, taken from Heylin’s book, stating ” It has been said that the release by an eastern bootlegger of the whole 60-minute aircast rather than the 40 minutes selected by Dick James Music significantly cut into the US sales of the live album.”

None of the single LP releases, like radiocord or Keylo’s VERY ALIVE [really a TMOQ release] contained the complete broadcast. The double album shown here would be the only one that fits that description but it is quite hard to find, which is not what you’d expect from a significant seller, even 40+ years after the fact. I don’t doubt that all of these bootlegs combined put a modest dent into sales of the official album (I would be surprised if it was more than 25,000 although whether this was before or after the official release date would have to be looked at in detail), especially VERY ALIVE in its imitation brown leather cover is still easy to locate these days but that is the risk you take as a record company when you release a performance that was already broadcast to potentially hundreds of thousands of listeners several months earlier.

The original broadcast had consisted of:

I Need You To Turn To
Your Song
Country Comfort
Border Song
Indian Sunset
Amoreena
Bad Side Of The Moon
Take Me To The Pilot
Sixty Years On
Honky Tonk Women
Can I Put You On
Burn Down The Mission (including My Baby Left Me & Get Back)
My Father’s Gun (encore)

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KNOCKINEM DEAD – ALIVE / LIVE (E JAY) is the only bootleg that contains the whole show (but not in the original running order):

Side 1: I Need You To Turn To / Your Song / Bad Side Of The Moon / Country Comfort
Side 2: Can I Put You On / Border Song / Sixty Years On
Side 3: Indian Sunset / Honky Tonk Women / Amoreena / Take Me To The Pilot
Side 4: Burn Down The Mission (including My Baby Left Me & Get Back) / My Father’s Gun

 

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A similar situation to Deep Purple’s H Bomb, which was available with the same type of stamped cover, either with Dittolino or ‘title’ Kustom labels:

Deep Purple HB stamp KustDeep Purple HB Dittolini

This points to a rather close working relationship between Kustom and Dittolino Records. Both were mainly copy labels, with Kustom focusing on European releases, and both operated at the same time, from 1971 onwards, when this Elton John title taken from his radio broadcast was released. I do not think however, that Kustom was a side label run by the same people who did Dittolino Records.

 

Kustom Records Discography [Deep Purple, Beatles & Elton John titles also produced by Dittolino]:

 

- DEEP PURPLE H-Bomb   ASC-001, Matrix numbers on vinyl: side1: 2001-A; side 2: 2001-B

DeepPurple H Bomb K

Live in Aachen, Germany – 11 July 1970. Probably a copy of this 1970 Italian bootleg – possibly the first to be produced in Italy:

Deep Purple Space vol 1

- THE BEATLES – Live At SheaThe Only Live Recording  ASC-002,  Matrix: SHEA – 1/2 

Beatles LaShea Kustom

- THE BEATLES – Judy  ASC-003, Matrix : A/1 2002 – A / B/2 2002 – B [all pirated officially released tracks, with every song title changed by the bootleggers.]

Beatles JudyBeatles Judy b

- ASC-004 ?

 

- JIMI HENDRIX – Goodbye Jimi   Kustom 005

Hendrix Goodbye Jimi 4

A quality degenerated copy of the UK White Cover Folks bootleg # 723:

Hendrix Goodbye Jimi WCF 2

“[WCF's] most successful title was a superb Hendrix collection, Goodbye Jimi, drawn from BBC Top Gear radio sessions, which apparently sold some 9,000 copies.” [Heylin, p. 148]

 Dittolino also issued this title as LIVE EXPERIENCE(S)

Hendrix Live Experiences

Hendrix Live Experiences insert

as did TMOQ did under this title in June of 1971 as JH-107 / 1841 / 71019:

Hendrix Broadcasts purple disc I

- ELTON JOHN – Goodbye Knockin’ Em Dead – Alive  006

Deep Purple JMTYL 2

Deep Purple JMTYL detail

Rolling Stones Rock Out Cock Out detail

There were two different cover designs, the “Music From Big Purple” shown above with the two figures in the bottom right corner and one without:

Deep Purple JMTYL

Deep Purple JMTYL Duck Hits MBP 990 A

Both versions can be found with “Duck Hits!”and Ruthless Rhymes labels. I did not find this with the blue 1970’s GLC labels shown previously with the Stones release and the Beatles Beatlemania but the Deep Purple LP can be found with the following matrix: 

GLC-212-A  re  /  GLC-212-B

- called the second pressing, which would support my theory that these releases date from around 1977.

Deep Purple JMTYL RR

This looks like a third cover variation.

Just as in the first example, I have found another one where the track list for side 2 is hidden or censored. Coincidentally, Hot Wacks states that only side 1 is from the California Jam Festival and side two contains pirated material from the official release In Concert.

Deep Purple JMTYL censored

The other vinyl bootleg to compare this with in term’s of sound quality would be PERKS AND TIT on TAKRL (also the one I would go to first, had this not since been officially released, as it has more California Jam material).

Set list taken from the 2003 official release:

Burn    (6:20)
Might Just Take Your Life    (4:50)
Lay Down, Stay Down    (4:46)
Mistreated    (10:24)    
Smoke On The Water    (8:56)
You Fool No One    (19:09)
Space Truckin’    (25:10)

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Yet another link between the Stones and the Deep Purple LP is that they have been listed with PQ numbers. In Hot Wacks rock out – cock out is listed as PQ211.

Just Might Take Your Life carries PQ 2004, which is also printed on the slip sheet.

I have now stumbled over another example, clearly produced by the same folks with a penchant for hallucinogenic cover art and an overall similar lay out:  PQ 401

Grateful Dead Double Dead

Not found with a GLC label but a plain white one:

Grateful Dead Double Dead lbl

which confirms my thesis that the 70s GLC label was used considerably later than 1974.

It is not hard to date DOUBLE DEAD , as it was a ‘Frankenstein’ creation born by combining Felt Forum 1971 and, more importantly for us, SILENT DEAD - TMoQ 73010. As ‘smoking pig’ releases 73008 (Dylan – Best of GWW) and 73018 (James Paul McCartney) have been confirmed as 1974 releases – the Dylan cover uses an image from his early 1974 tour – SILENT DEAD was released in the same year and DOUBLE DEAD subsequently after that.

If you know any further PQ releases, or have any other comments or additions, do let me know.

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A little excursion:

Coming back to that “Deep Purple” and DYLAN & THE BAND 1974 title font – it rang a bell too:

Deep Purple JMTYL detail title

Dylan & Band wdrgiouO 2

Deep Purple Murky Waters detail

Jethro Tull Superchd cropped

and:

Stevens C THMDD

Note how inserts with this font hawk the supposedly high fidelity of the recording.

…And there’s more!

Stevens Cat Catnip title

Stevens Cat Catnip 2

Here is a copy/reissue of TAKRL’s # 2927: British Tour 1973 – Untitled

John Elton BBB Benny

It appears that the 2 LP releases all had a front and a back insert like this one.

John Elton BBB Benny 2

Aha!

All of these releases can be found with black number labels as shown – however, they were clearly released much earlier than 1977, probably around 1974.  So for the Deep Purple re-issue, this might just have been “font recycling”.

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The ‘number labels’ & 70’s GLC connection is further cemented by this recent Bob Dylan ‘combo’ discovery that I did not find documented on bobsboots.com:

Dylan JBSB Stealin

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To summarize, the starting point was releases made by Vicki Vinyl on her Dragonfly/Duck Hits! label, including reissues.

This blog post traces similarities in the insert design between the two releases mentioned in the title and the rare Bob Dylan double set shown and the question: When was that Dylan double released? 1974 or 1977?

The font shared with the other bootlegs points to 1974 but the fact that it is only found with the early GLC (or Dragonfly) labels points to 1977. Perhaps there was a reissue of the Dylan title after all?

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font 2013

The font alive and kicking on Robert Plant’s 2014 tour poster, seen in December 2013.

John E HeMex blu insert

Note the custom title label below.

John E HeMex title lbl

Source: San Diego Sports Arena – 29 September 1975 (official start of the Western leg of the 1975 – ’76 tour) – another big 1975 concert tour, although this one did not get a lot of attention by bootleggers at that time, with the exception of our heroine – Vicky Vinyl.

Matrix: IMPEJ-1104 and text: “How do you keep a John Denver fan busy? (over)”

Side 1: Meal Ticket / Island Girl / Philadelphia Freedom / Better Off Dead / Harmony
Side 2: Captain Fantastic And The Brown Dirt Cowboy / Someone Saved My Life Tonight / Don’t Let The Sun Go Down On Me

total time 45:41

The Band:
Elton John- Piano/vocals
Davey Johnstone- Guitars/vocals
Caleb Quaye- Guitars/vocals
Ray Cooper- Percussion
Kenny Passerelli- Guitars
James Newton-Howard- Keyboards
Roger Pope- Drums
Backing Vocals:
Cindy Bullins
John Joyce
Ken Gold

Audio quality listed as “Gs” in Hot Wacks but may be a little bit better than this, “sound quality is not the best” states an E. John collector’s site that’s selling this title on CD-R. These eight songs are all that have ever appeared and the master tape is one of many that have gone missing/ were possibly confiscated by the FBI in a raid, along with the stampers, etc.

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John E W ot Rockies

Matrix: IMPEJ-3-1104 and text: “How do you keep a John Denver fan busy? (over)”

The reason I was not familiar with this title until fairly recently is because it was not listed in the editions of Hot Wacks that I owned.

It seems that after obtaining audio of one of the Dodger Stadium L.A. gigs, VV decided to re-issue this title with a different stamper for side1:

Side 1: Your Song/ Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds/ I Saw Her Standing There/ Island Girl/ Harmony/ Pinball Wizard

Side 2 is identical to Hecho En Mexico.

John E W ot Rockies 2

John E W ot Rockies green

John E radiocord

John E radiocord f

CBM’s obvious inspiration.

John E radiocord disc

Wikipedia noted: “The recording was originally popular among bootleggers which, according to Gus Dudgeon, eventually prompted the record label to release it as an album. It has been said that the release by an eastern bootlegger of the whole 60-minute aircast rather than the 40 minutes selected by Dick James Music significantly cut into the US sales of the live album.”

I’m not convinced that the above claim is true and that any of these boots sold anywhere near to put a noticeable dent into the record sales of the official album released in May of ’71.

Obviously, both of the above bootlegs are not the culprits then, as they fall short of providing 60 minutes worth. Perhaps, it was the following one:

John E KEDAlive 2

HOTWACKS states “Made from the same plates as ‘Live E. Jay’ (Dittolino Discs)”. Is that really how Dittolino titled this release? Hard to read the writing, except for “LIVE”. This is the only image I found for this rare version:

John E Live

 

The original broadcast had consisted of:

I Need You To Turn To
Your Song
Country Comfort
Border Song
Indian Sunset
Amoreena
Bad Side Of The Moon
Take Me To The Pilot
Sixty Years On
Honky Tonk Women
Can I Put You On
Burn Down The Mission (including My Baby Left Me & Get Back)
My Father’s Gun (encore)

John E KEDAlive 3

The above double LP has is the only release  that features the whole show (but not in the original running order):

Side 1: I Need You To Turn To / Your Song / Bad Side Of The Moon / Country Comfort                                                                                Side 2: Can I Put You On / Border Song / Sixty Years On                                                                                                                                    Side 3: Indian Sunset / Honky Tonk Women / Amoreena / Take Me To The Pilot                                                                                          Side 4: Burn Down The Mission (including My Baby Left Me & Get Back) / My Father’s Gun

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The most common boot containing this material is Very Alive on Keylo Records (“Considered to be part of the TMOQ catalogue”) with the brown “leatherette” cover and on yellow wax:

John E Very Alive

Side 1:  Far Side of the Moon, Can I Put You On, Indian Sunset, Honky Tonk Woman

Side 2:  Rock n’ Roll Medley (Burn Down The Mission, My Baby Left Me, Get Back), My Father’s Gun

John E Very Alive lbl 1

John E VAlive

John Elton All The Young Girls Love Alice

Elton John
“Live at the Hollywood Bowl”
September 7, 1973
Liberated Vinyl Bootleg #HHEJ1

The 1973 Hollywood Bowl show is a very famous EJ show, and featured Linda Lovelace as the M.C. (not included here, though). I have seen that another vinyl version of this show had been uploaded a couple of years ago, and it was mentioned that the hum was very bad on that recording (before the uploader performed some mastering). This recording does not have those hum issues (although there is a slight hum still present), so this is possibly from a different source. I think Madman Across the Water, with early Davey Johnstone on guitar, makes this worth downloading all by itself. Classic EJ, from a Classic show during his Classic period!

The recording isn’t bad… a bit overmodulated at times, but quite clear nonetheless.

The Band:
Elton John – Piano/Vocals
Davey Johnstone- Guitars/vocals
Dee Murray- Bass/vocals
Nigel Olsson- Drums/vocals

The Songs:
Honky Cat
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Rocket Man
All the Young Girls Love Alice
Daniel
Madman Across the Water
Teacher I Need You
Crocodile Rock

[The complete audience recording has:

Introduction by Linda Lovelace- Elderberry Wine- Your Song- High Flying Bird- Honky Cat- Goodbye Yellow Brick Road- Hercules- Rocket Man- Madman Across The Water - Disc Two  Teacher- Have Mercy on the Criminal- All The Young Girls Love Alice- Daniel- Funeral For A Friend- Love Lies Bleeding- Crocodile Rock- Saturday Nights Alright For Fighting- Honky Tonk Woman]
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From allmusic.com: “Elton John was among the most bootlegged rockers of 1970s; although he wasn’t bootlegged as exhaustively as the Rolling Stones, there were dozens of John bootlegs for collectors to chase after. The sound quality of his 1970s bootlegs varied considerably, ranging from decent to excellent to terrible. Recorded at the Hollywood Bowl in September 1973 — the month before Goodbye Yellow Brick Road came out in the U.S.– All the Young Girls Love Alice offers sound that is OK but certainly not great. The mono LP wouldn’t impress an audiophile, although collectors were glad to acquire John’s engaging Hollywood Bowl performance of hits like “Crocodile Rock,” “Honky Cat,” “Daniel,” and “Rocket Man.” Unfortunately, All the Young Girls Love Alice contains only part of his Bowl set, and the bootlegger doesn’t bother to list a recording date (although a 1978 edition of the bootleg reference guide Hot Wacks confirms that the LP was recorded at the Bowl in September 1973). Because of its various shortcomings, All the Young Girls Love Alice is strictly for serious collectors.”

John E ATYGLAlice half insert

“Performance: Elton at the Hollywood Bowl, 9/7/73″

By David Rensin

The house lights dimmed and a lonely spot picked out a single figure onstage. “And now ladies and gentlemen, this evening’s hostess… the star of ‘Deep Throat,’ Miss Linda Lovelace!”

Looking more like the enriched mistress of a Las Vegas Kingpin than the renowned man-eater she is, Linda stepped from the shadows toward the microphone. The huge backdrop picturing Elton in top hat floated lazily down as the stage lights went up to reveal full-grown palm trees bordering a huge, glittering staircase and five pianos of varying colors.

“Hi,” Linda gurgled. “I’d like to introduce some of tonight’s guests, very important people and dignitaries from around the world who wouldn’t dare have missed this gala evening.” Over the staircase in rapid succession bounded the Queen of England, Elvis Presley, Frankenstein, the Pope, the Beatles, Batman and Robin, Groucho Marx and Mae West. Moving to the pianos, they raised the covers to display the giant inlaid letters: E-L-T-O-N, and in doing so, released a flock of doves to fly aimlessly about while Linda introduced the band and finally:

“Here he is, the _biggest_, _largest_, _most gigantic_, and _fantastic_ man, the co-star of my next movie… Elton John!”

We’ve learned to expect different and novel things from Elton John. He is a man, however, whose patently non-outrageous music often clashes with his glam stage show, something that has progressed from mere acrobatics to a full- blown production. But does Elton need all this? His music holds its own — something especially evident at his first Los Angeles dates at the Troubadour. At the Bowl, he neither avoided the histrionics nor carried them to expected heights. Those opening moments embodied most of the evening’s flash, and one could sense the audience waiting for something more to happen.
“Elderberry Wine” led into a pleasant version of “Your Song,” and a magnificent “High Flying Bird” followed by “Honky Cat.” Elton appeared almost solemn and somber, resolute upon hitting the high notes. It wasn’t until “Hercules” that he began to move, to kick the piano bench away, to leap into the air — and yet, it carried none of the impact of the old.

Elton’s raucous rockers worked better onstage than on record. He was able to get a fuller, less cluttered sound, and of course, he played off the audience’s reaction which was frenetic throughout. He was tasty in his selection of material which included “Madman Across the Water,” “Have Mercy on the Criminal,” “Teacher I Need You,” and three songs from his forthcoming album, and “Crocodile Rock,” for which a “crocodile” (songwriting partner Bernie Taupin) on organ accompanied Elton. The cast and company reappeared for “Saturday Night’s Alright for Fighting” and Elton’s “favorite rock & roll number,” “Honky Tonk Women.”

But in the end, there was only the mad proletariat rush for free Elton John T-shirts, and a few doves still circling the Bowl, looking for a home. – ROLLING STONE, 10/11/73.”

Listed in Hotwacks as a Phonygraf release and the comment: “Also available on Stein O Wisky Platers (1369)”. This must have been one of the earliest Elton John bootlegs in 1971 together with the influential radiochord from the New York FM broadcast and Live At The Anaheim Convention Center by Rubber Dubber.

Looking at the original on Stein O Wisky Platers (which I believe is the first one shown here),  I would not be surprised if Dub had recorded this show at San Bernardino’s Swing Auditorium that December 5th 1970 (often listed as Santa Monica on November 15th) and released this with a little help from Ken. The quality did turn out to be pretty good. It should be noted that during ‘Get Back’, EJ refers to the location as “LA”.

John E Country Comfort stamp

John Elton CC SoW P

John E Country Comfort 2

An unlisted version on TMOQ:

John Elton CC 5

 

wolfgangsvault has a recording from November 12th:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/elton-john/concerts/fillmore-west-november-12-1970.html?

and November 26th from Cleveland:

http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/elton-john/concerts/music-hall-cleveland-november-26-1970.html

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Files shared on a torrent site:

Elton John
“Country Comfort”
Vinyl Bootleg
1970 (possibly Santa Monica, CA 1970-11-15)
Very Good Audience or SBD
I recently purchased this vinyl bootleg, and thought I would share it here. If my research is correct, the “Country Comfort” bootleg is from the Civic Auditorium in Santa Monica, CA. The date commonly associated with this show is November 15, 1970, but that is not necessarily correct (per the “Cornflakes and Classics” website) as it has been confirmed he actually played the Fillmore West that night.

The Band:
Elton John- Piano/vocals
Dee Murray- Bass/vocals
Nigel Olsson- Drums/vocals

The Songs:

Your Song 3:53
Take Me To The Pilot 6:42
Country Comfort 5:02
Sixty Years On 6:58
Border Song 3:36
Honky Tonk Woman 4:31
Burn Down The Mission-Get Back-Give Peace A Chance-Shotgun 19:00

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Elton John
Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica CA Nov 15 1970

disc one
I Need You to Turn To
Your Song
(intro & tech problems)
Bad Side of the Moon
Country Comfort
Sixty Years On
Border Song
Can I Put You On
Indian Summer

disc two
Honky Tonk Woman (Jagger / Richards)
Amoreena
Burn Down The Mission
Medley: My Baby Left Me (A. Crudup) / Get Back (Lennon / McCartney)
Take Me to the Pilot
Medley: Give Peace a Chance (Lennon)

? > reel > HD > cdr > eac > wav > shn

I received this reel in trade in the early 70s, and had friends convert it to
CDR a few years back. No other info is known. This may well be a 1st
generation copy from master, but I have no way of verifying this. Quality isn’t
superb [...] but it is listenable and a very enjoyable show [...].

Elton John Apple Pie 2

Elton John Live

Also listed under Scope 72 with the same reference number but I did not find a cover to compare it with this one. Contraband Music was a Virginia based label.

From a needledrop project of the CBM LP: “Old Elton John vinyl bootleg titled simply “Elton
John Live” on the Contra Band label. Contra Band were known in the early 1970s for producing often poor quality reissues of popular bootleg titles. This disc appears to be a copy of “Apple Pie” on the Highway Hi Fi label (HHCER 105) [no, it was the other way around]. Information in “Elton John – The Illustrated Discography” (Alan Finch, p74) indicates that this recording is from November 13th, 1972 in Norfolk, Virginia, during the fall leg of Elton’s 1972 US tour. This show was notable for the absence of guitarist Davey Johnstone who, as Elton explains, was in a New York hospital owing to a tooth abscess. Ouch! Elton comments during the band intro that he hopes Davey’s absence “won’t make that much difference anyway”. Double ouch!

Note that “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road” is not from Norfolk, but has been dropped in from Elton’s show at the Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, on September 7th, 1973. You can certainly find this track in better quality than it is here, but I have left it in for the sake of completeness.

I would rate the quality of the recording as decent audience, although sounding somewhat distant, maybe 6 out of 10. The balance between the instruments is fine and all in all the recording is very listenable. The crackliness of the vinyl might subtract another point if that sort of thing bothers you. I have not attempted any cleaning up of the source material. Song separation and fades have been left as they are on my vinyl copy.

But what about the music! This is a very nice show in my opinion, as you get to hear Elton in three-piece mode a la the good old days of 1970. “Tiny Dancer” and “Daniel” (the latter in the can but not yet released) are performed solo, then Elton is joined by Dee and Nigel for the rest of the show. The Honky Château tracks are sublime, and “Can I Put You On” is given the extended treatment. The audience is quiet and respectful throughout, with only the occasional unrestrained interjection.

Based on other setlists from this tour it seems that the tracks presented here, though separated with fades, are a fair representation of the first half of a late-1972 Elton show.

Elton John: piano, vocal
Dee Murray: bass, vocal
Nigel Olsson: drums, vocal
Davey Johnstone: guitar, vocal (track 8)

Elton John
November 13th, 1972
Scope Auditorium – Norfolk, Virginia, USA (Except track 8: September 7th, 1973. Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, USA)

Sound quality: 5-6
Running time: 43:48

SIDE ONE
ej19721113_t01 Tiny Dancer [5:54]
ej19721113_t02 Daniel [3:30]
ej19721113_t03 Band introduction & tuning [1:16]
ej19721113_t04 Susie (Dramas) [3:18]
ej19721113_t05 Your Song [3:54]
ej19721113_t06 Levon [6:29]

SIDE TWO
ej19721113_t07 Can I Put You On [8:16]
ej19721113_t08 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road [2:56]
ej19721113_t09 Mona Lisa’s and Mad Hatters [4:48]
ej19721113_t10 Honky Cat [3:27]

[A soundboard recording that was supposedly recorded at this show has the following tracks: Tiny Dancer- Suzie- Border Song- Can I Put You On- Rocket man- Madman Across The Water- Country Comfort- Take Me To The Pilot- Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin On]

John E Live 2

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